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#TeamNavratilova is gathering pace!

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SpeakUpXXWomen · 20/02/2019 12:19

Firing Martina from Allies is working out to be an own goal as more people stand up and speak out on this.

twitter.com/hashtag/TeamNavratilova?src=hash

We know how twitter works Hmm in regards to women speaking out so perhaps this thread could be a place to gather excellent quotes and pictures for people to spread across other platforms and show that Martina's views are shared not by a trickle of support but a tidal wave.

I feel in need of a very nice #TeamNavratilova picture to put on my fbook, any social media gurus around to advise?

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ChattyLion · 23/02/2019 09:39

Great article- Janice’s writing on this is fantastic.
thanks for the share token.

Also think the Times’ insistence on ‘trans women’ is a subset of women, used without a definition is a bit confusing for anyone not conversant with these arguments, ie a lot of the public and of the newspaper-reading audience.

It can sounds like they mean to refer to a woman who has trans feelings (may want to become a man).

They should clearly state where relevant eg ‘transwomen = male born people who identify themselves as women, who may or may not hold a legal certificate (GRC) certifying their move into a legalised new identity which is female. Others can’t ask to see this certificate, so it is not a public form of ID like s birth certificate, however.) I think a short explanation would be clearer.

boatyardblues · 23/02/2019 08:19

Great article, though I wish Janice would elaborate on her comments about Ruth Hunt’s resignation.

Kettleon80 · 23/02/2019 08:17

Bloody brilliant.

TimeLady · 23/02/2019 07:58

Great article - again - from Janice Flowers

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 23/02/2019 07:32

Excellent article by Janice Turner. Bravo to The Times for publishing her columns on this issue.

And die in a flaming horrible painful financial fire, Guardian.

WineGummyBear · 23/02/2019 07:31

Thanks for the sharetoken.

More sense from Janice.

SpeakUpXXWomen · 23/02/2019 00:56

For those unfamiliar with bechdeltest.com/

This is quite funny, mensplaining feminism to each other, but gold star for the top of the thread!
twitter.com/corinna_cohn/status/1099063992251793408
twitter.com/caganerx/status/1099099116712456192
Lgbt news can attack lesbian legend @martina* within hours of her standing up for women’s sport, but they’re totally quiet on Translifeline saying its founders embezzled $350,000. There’s an explanation for this.

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ToeToToe · 23/02/2019 00:41

I love the idea of Bechdel feminism.

Transwomen are not women. It would be bloody lovely to be able to talk about women - just women. Without being called bigots.

ErrolTheDragon · 23/02/2019 00:36
  • Bechdel feminism!

That's not even a thing in most mainstream media.*

It should be, shouldn't it.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 22/02/2019 23:47

OH, YES!

Bechdel feminism!

That's not even a thing in most mainstream media.

Genius

boatyardblues · 22/02/2019 23:08

Great tweet there from Kathleen.

GGMummy3 · 22/02/2019 22:41

Love this twitter post.

#TeamNavratilova is gathering pace!
KnitFastDieWarm · 22/02/2019 22:27

I love the fact that there are people delusional and self-important enough to think that MARTINA FUCKING NAVRATILOVA (communist regime survivor/tennis legend/out lesbian in the 80s/supporter of LGBT causes since back when god were a lad is going to be intimidated by a bunch of navel gazing people with blue hair who spend too much time on Twitter Grin

EweSurname · 22/02/2019 22:01

Just seen this - not sure what it’s about

Corinna “Stop Breaking the Web” Cohn
@corinna_cohn
Lgbt news can attack lesbian legend
@martina
within hours of her standing up for women’s sport, but they’re totally quiet on Translifeline saying its founders embezzled $350,000.

There’s an explanation for this.

JaneJeffer · 22/02/2019 21:55

Washington Examiner

#TeamNavratilova is gathering pace!
SpeakUpXXWomen · 22/02/2019 21:34

Positive links only here please. This is the cheer thread!

twitter.com/search?f=tweets&q=martina%20navratilova&src=typd

Have a quick scan at society losing the plot at the madness and shouting #IStandWithMartina. The updates are consistent and constant.

#TeamNavratilova

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CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 22/02/2019 21:33

It's all they have, let them have it.
I'm surprised pink news hasn't swooped in and explained why everyone in the world is wrong, even their own readers.

EweSurname · 22/02/2019 21:32

The bbc, guardian and cnn have opted for “Martina critised” reporting, rather than “Martina speaks out for women’s sports” but the comments under all three tweeted articles are largely in support of Martina

SpeakUpXXWomen · 22/02/2019 21:30

That one article by the graun is being posted repeatedly by TRAs as proof they are right. It is old at this point. They have nothing else to post because EVERYONE else is on #TeamNavratilova!

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RiverTam · 22/02/2019 21:27

Sorry - I realise how my comment appeared straight after yours - I was pondering the fantastic news coverage (not specific to your post above mine, I mean, just generally) and realised I hadn’t seen anything from the Graun. I didn’t mean it was notable by its absence from your post!

SpeakUpXXWomen · 22/02/2019 21:24

This is a cheer up thread so of course the bullshit guardian is not mentioned.

It's the public, which til now has been in the dark due to guardianbbc type misreporting and twittertype silencing of women repeatedly, who will back women's rights.

The public know and trust the opinion of the rockstar that is Martina Navratilova, her experience is respected so there must be something to it right? That means the topic is worth a little investigation, a little conversation.

Interesting topics mean readers/viewers and that means money. Which leads us to this weekend and a snowball effect. Twitter can be as misogynistic as it likes, if enough people are talking about a topic they are never going to ban them all, money matters more to twitter, this is the tipping point.

The focus in the UK has been on getting "inclusive" policy changes through doublequick under cover of BREXIT. Now that this story is breaking worldwide with a gay icon championing it, sunlight is flushing out the stupidity for all to see. Politicians are sure to follow on.

Publicity is the way, it's all about votes and money. We just have to keep talking.

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IDoN0tCare · 22/02/2019 21:22

EweSurname

That actually made me laugh. They’re so confident in their opinion, they don’t allow comments. I think they’ll be losing a few more readers, that were previously sitting on the fence, after that bullshit!

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 22/02/2019 21:08

Come on, where are the rest of the elite athletes. Speak up!

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 22/02/2019 21:00

TRA's are slowly realising there are too many 'leaders' for this small movement of 100 or so RadFems... Posie, Julie, Graham now Martina.
It will slowly dawn that there isn't a leader because it isn't a movement, it's most of the public.

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