FPFW disinvited from discussing Martina's comments on 5Live

I cannot stand the BBC. The outrageous misogyny when they have a transwomen on and no biological woman is such a pile of complete ridiculousness. It’s no coincidence that this is happening at the same time that a heavily pregnant women it getting hounded out of the Labour Party. This is the insane world we live in.

Just been listening to the segment. I was shocked by Nolan's "maybe Martina doesn't know this or just doesn't care" comment.

Or maybe she does know and she knows how poor the IOC rule is - wonder if that occurred to Nolan.

Everyone is correct in what they are saying about how biased the piece was. People will have listened to that and gone away with the impression that transwomen must meet really strict guidelines in order to compete as women, and will assume all is fine.

First time complainant here and first time poster on this board. Regardless of my personal opinion, I expect to hear free speech and debate on the BBC. (Must be naive after reading posts above) This segment was devoid of both.

sackrifice I see what you did there

I've just complained as well, didn't take long to do.

I’ve made a complaint today, please take the time to do it if you can!

andyoldlabour I noticed that our delightful cycling champion also tried to rebrand TERF's as FART's; is this a new acronym or a straight forward playground insult? Has anyone heard this before? When I wear my pro women badge with pride I want to make sure it's got the correct slur on it.

Most men find farting funny.

I've complained too and referenced the charter. Bloody disgrace.

Martina, however, is and remains magnificent. And has about 99%of all the responses I've seen so far with her.

Keep pulling.

That was a low even for Humphrys. I heard it as goad followed by "eh, eh, EH, EH?"

it's a slippery slope nauticant

I'm now a twice a month woman

Yeah, you get a taste for it. I’m currently sharpening my pencil to complain about John Humphries rude, boorish behaviour towards the female BME academic he “interviewed” shortly after 8am on the Today programme. My MIL messaged me in delight when his retirement was announced. He should go asap.

However, the BBC played down the spat. ‘Our presenters and commentators come with a wealth of experience and knowledge covering all aspects of the game at the very highest level,’ a spokeswoman said. ‘Thoughts on individual presenters and commentators are subjective and so it’s inevitable that our audience will prefer some over others.’

This was the response to John Inverdale being sexist on air a couple of years ago. BBC is just so female friendly, not.

Can’t see it Andy. Am blocked like the rest of th world

andyoldlabour I noticed that our delightful cycling champion also tried to rebrand TERF's as FART's; is this a new acronym or a straight forward playground insult? Has anyone heard this before? When I wear my pro women badge with pride I want to make sure it's got the correct slur on it.

Breeders who know to keep their mouths shut justasking111. That is until Womb2.0 comes along and then, well, just be some kind of handmaidens cheering on male people.

Maybe the BBC needs to be shown a few examples of what McKinnon is really like. I don't know how to take screenshots of twitter feeds but this link shows McKinnon bullying a lesbian over the usual things.

twitter.com/rachelvmckinnon/status/1039955321664548865

Having fought our way out of barefoot, pregnant, in the kitchen, as a woman I ask. What box do the trans. community want to put us in?

I've sent a complaint. It may not do any good but say they get one from everyone on this thread it may make them think

He was poking his interviewee in a Bill Grundy 'Go on, say something BAD!' kind of way.

While he wasn't directly making that call, very obviously soliciting such a statement is really inappropriate when the person in question is a colleague.

A brilliant summing up there Popchyk..

How did we get here? How can things have rolled back to this extent?

Nolan was not calling for Navratilova to be sacked any more than Navratilova was calling for pubescent males to be castrated.

He was poking his interviewee in a Bill Grundy 'Go on, say something BAD!' kind of way.

This whole 'I refuse to debate my existence with transphobes' absolute bollocks is just showing up how chicken shit TRAs are, because they know that in the face of rational, reasoned debate they don't have a leg to stand on. Paris Lees is another one who constantly pulls it, carefully selecting which interviews they do.

When everyone knows that, if FPFW were actually the 'hate group' that they are painted as, then they wouldn't last 5 mins if they were 'shown up' for what they are. Look at what happened when Nick Griffin was in Question Time, it effectively heralded the end of the BNP. Or when 'Muslamic Ray Gun' EDL types go on Channel 4 News.

TRAs know that this wouldn't happen with FPFW etc and they have to do everything they can to stop the public from seeing these groups for what they are ie. groups of reasonable women who just want a debate about women's rights. Look what happened when Haddock went up against Posie on Sky News. TRAs simply cannot allow that to happen too much.

It really does highlight where we are, doesn't it?

It perfectly encapsulates the problem in miniature.

Woman (Martina) talks about how men should not be allowed in the category for biological women in sports.

BBC plans a show with a male host and two transgender males with only one spot allocated to a women's group with expertise in the area. So the very outset was a planned 3:1 in favour of biological males.

One of the male guests declares that they won't discuss this with the woman invited. Therefore the BBC concludes that the woman should be barred from speaking.

Show goes ahead without the woman and the three men agree that women who don't want men in their women's sports are transphobic.

They call for a woman (Martina) to be sacked.

The BBC sees this as balanced programming.

And I really can't imagine him asking football guests if Gary Lineker should be sacked by the BBC for talking about Brexit

Or forcing young healthy children to live off crisps. Exaggeration smiley.

I'm now a twice a month woman

Hahahaha. Yes, I know what you mean.

justasking111

I am baffled why, women particularly lesbians are disliked so much by the trans. folk.

The are disliked by 'male lesbians'. Because they are targeted for sex by them.

A man who identifies as a woman and is attracted to women can't go after straight women, because straight women don't sleep with women. It's invalidating his identity.

So he has to go after lesbians. Because they will validate that he's a woman. And satisfy him sexually, because he likes women.

But lesbians don't sleep with men. Hence the bullying, intimidation, coercion etc.

And of course many of these men who identify as lesbians, won't sleep with other men who identify as lesbians.

Because sex matters.

But not if you're a woman. And certainly not if you're a lesbian.