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FPFW disinvited from discussing Martina's comments on 5Live

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TransposersArePosers · 18/02/2019 11:00

Nicola WIlliams was invited to speak about Martina's comments along with RM. This on the FPFW facebook page

We were then disinvited after Rachel McKinnon publicly refused to participate if we were included. We discussed this decision with editor Philo Holland explaining how this is a frequently used tactic to silencing opposing views. It contravenes BBC editorial guidelines to allow a guest to veto the appearance of another

So the BBC being biased again, what a surprise. And a GC voice being no platformed. Why is it that these individuals are frightened to go up against the common sense facts??

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Popchyk · 19/02/2019 11:16

From the Mail article at the end:

"The cyclist wrote afterwards: 'I still can't believe she said this...to me of all people.'

Grin
DoctoressPlague · 19/02/2019 11:08

Plus the BBC asserted that Nolan would ask all the right questions of McKinnon!

Oh yes. Don't worry dears, an experienced tough man will represent your voice.
I think I have peak-Beeb'd.

Datun · 19/02/2019 11:02

However unlike the other times they have done this, this time people are seeing it.

I agree. There are over 400 trans people employed at the BBC. They have a huge conflict of interest here.

Datun · 19/02/2019 11:00

FFS, you had three males discussing an issue that affects WOMEN

I think this needs repeating. They are so blind to their own predjudice.

I completely agree.

Men should be the last people to discuss women's rights.

Plus the BBC asserted that Nolan would ask all the right questions of McKinnon!

Nolan hasn't, and never will have, the first clue. Because he is part of the cohort doing the targeting, not the cohort being targeted.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 19/02/2019 11:00

They are so blind

No, they know full well what they are doing, it's not accidental it's deliberate.
However unlike the other times they have done this, this time people are seeing it.

Trousering · 19/02/2019 10:54

FFS, you had three males discussing an issue that affects WOMEN

I think this needs repeating. They are so blind to their own predjudice.

DoctoressPlague · 19/02/2019 10:49

A BBC spokeswoman said: “We invited Dr Williams to appear on the programme and after initially agreeing to join us at a later point in the show she subsequently declined. The offer remains open.”

Whatever, Beeb. You allowed a trans activist to no-platform a women's organisation in a discussion about women's sports and let them dominate the "debate" with unfounded claims about transphobia.
FFS, you had three males discussing an issue that affects WOMEN - two trans sportspeople who represent one side of the "debate", and one male presenter who appeared totally clueless and unable to challenge the contributors. Wake the fuck up!

dolorsit · 19/02/2019 10:42

Of course if Dr Nic had agreed to speak later the TRAs would be all over Twitter complaining that it was unfair there was no "trans" voice and claiming bias. They would conveniently omit that they had already had their say.

andyoldlabour · 19/02/2019 10:38

McKinnon looks like a deranged psycho in that Times article picture. Shock

Datun · 19/02/2019 10:35

I would like to see Nic Williams state that she will debate publicly with any transactivists, any time. And ask the BBC to draw up a list.

Let's get this out there. Let's count the number of people who think they can uphold their argument.

Datun · 19/02/2019 10:32

A BBC spokeswoman said: “We invited Dr Williams to appear on the programme and after initially agreeing to join us at a later point in the show she subsequently declined. The offer remains open.”

Oh dearie me, BBC. That is not a good look.

Nic Williams was invited onto the programme with Rachel McKinnon. Rachel McKinnon took to Twitter to claim they are a biological woman and refuse to discuss their existence live on the radio with a woman who disagrees. Then Nic Williams gets disinvited.

It's all out there, auntie.

Your slippery assertion that she gets to talk to a wall later on, is obvious to everyone.

The comments under the Daily Mail article are proving that people totally get that McKinnon vetoed Williams with your approval.

WeRiseUp · 19/02/2019 10:08
Flowers
Victoriapestis · 19/02/2019 10:08

I’ve complained on the online form linked above. I hope every woman reading this does.

For the national broadcaster to exclude us like this is not just appalling- it is frightening. Women need to make their voices heard. Urgently.

andyoldlabour · 19/02/2019 10:04

"Oh look, it seems that again trans ideology has more in common with ultra-orthodox religion than rationality."

Yes, trans ideology is the newest form of fundamentalism - acceptance without questioning or consideration.

nauticant · 19/02/2019 09:48

If one passenger refuses to sit next to another, who should the airline ask to move seats?

www.timesofisrael.com/ultra-orthodox-men-again-hold-up-plane-refusing-to-sit-beside-women/

Oh look, it seems that again trans ideology has more in common with ultra-orthodox religion than rationality.

BigGoat · 19/02/2019 09:40

McKinnon is such a toxic figurehead for the TRA movement, that I do sometimes wonder if they have been paid to divide unity on the left.

WeRiseUp · 19/02/2019 09:32

Does anyone have a share token for the times article?

MillytantForceit · 19/02/2019 08:59

If one passenger refuses to sit next to another, who should the airline ask to move seats?

RiverTam · 19/02/2019 08:57

Nic has herself acknowledged that she was offered a slot later which she rightly turned down as being unacceptable.

Needmoresleep · 19/02/2019 08:52

Is there an irony there? The story is now about the BBC.

Nic says she was disinvited. The BBC say she was given an opportunity to comment later. The Mail determined, as always, to produce a balanced article prints both versions, ending up with a slightly confusing they said, she said, narrative.

MillytantForceit · 19/02/2019 08:46

Today's Puzzle For Today:

A radio station wishes to discuss an issue with Speaker A and Speaker B.

Speaker A agrees to debate with Speaker B.

Speaker B refuses to debate with Speaker A.

Who do you throw off the programme?

Aeroflotgirl · 19/02/2019 08:41

The truth hurts!

Bowlofbabelfish · 19/02/2019 08:40

Ahhh...that makes sense. It’s still allowing one guest to veto another isn’t it?

‘Well we will allow you on three weeks next Tuesday at five am after we’ve given the other person an unchallenged slot.’ Nice.

Aeroflotgirl · 19/02/2019 08:40

It is disgusting, reasonable debate being shut down and compared to racism, nothing of the sort. The BBC supporting this, we should all boycott the BBC. Misgony at its fines.