FPFW disinvited from discussing Martina's comments on 5Live

Aaaah, British Cycling who told Jess Varnish to 'Go away and have a baby...?'

Since our women cyclists won a fuck-tonne of medals at the 2012 Olympics at home - Victoria Pendleton becoming a household name and a role model- etc - I think women's cycling in the UK might be the wrong sport to fuck with.

Rachel's on another rant today but doesn't seem to want to draw attention to FPFW and the BBC so has chosen a different target. Anyway I thought this was very interesting. October 2019 Manchester anyone?

Dr. Rachel McKinnon Retweeted

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You win ONCE and suddenly they call the act of cheating a “McKinnon Move” like, that only works if it’s 1) cheating and 2) a move used over and over

I think it's six-a-side indoor court volleyball, rather than two-a-side sand volleyball in your pants.

Also looking forward to the beach volleyball.

Just listened. That was great. Well done Dr Nic, superbly prepared and argued. Just a bit of a shame such excellent discussion (and last week's travesty) have been tucked away late on a Sunday night.
Must go and have a look at Rachel's twitter after so many references to her refusal to debate.

That was great - I think the complaints had an impact on the way it was conducted and the several mentions of Dr McKinnon not wanting to debate directly, l loved the example of the Beach volleyball team with the 6’4” transwomen player - it demonstrated the issue perfectly.

Dr Nic was great. Well done to her! So calm and reasoned. Surely the majority of the UK population listening to her and to last week's travesty would be pretty clear who's talking sense here?

The primary source:

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0002nvj

scroll to 43 mins.

The point about Martina's "any man..." comment is that it is not just about transpersons but the threat to womens sport from ringers.

Was McKinnon asked if she sees women as people who should have their own rights, for example? Asked if they understand that transwomen have male bodies still? I doubt it. Seemed biased and yeah the 'its intesting' part got my back up..but at least he confirmed that McKinnon does not dare debate Nic (as McKinnon has no arguments..)

Do you see transitioned transwomen as women? A few times he seemed, a bit dodgy. But Nic handled it well, as usual.

She says at the end Martina is trying to save women's sport, he says this is really interesting.

For fucks sake, it's not Fucking interesting, it's an appalling Fucking travesty that should not be Fucking happening.

Yes, I did think the same actually, it's not 'interesting' it's a fucking no brainer!

She says at the end Martina is trying to save women's sport, he says this is really interesting.

For fucks sake, it's not Fucking interesting, it's an appalling Fucking travesty that should not be Fucking happening.

Bloody brilliant interview, she refused to get sucked into the 'do you agree with Martina that these people have a choice' thing, and the presenter stated several times that McKinnon refused to debate with her.

Great stuff.

Just listened too - that was really good and she answered questions very well.

The piece on 5 live was completely different this week. They discussed the actual issue, quoted Martina and gave relevant facts. While they may have given a terrible response to the complaints it's clear they took them on board.

I thought Dr Nic was fab as ever. It was an excellent choice of hers not to just go on at midnight that day. The publicity of bumping her and the fact that she wasn't knackered means this was another great piece for getting the message across.

The interview is here:

fairplayforwomen.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Five-Live-240219-Martina-Sports.m4a

Interestingly, the host confirms that McKinnon refused to debate with nic Williams.

That is a disproportionate amount of transgender employees at the beeb. Hardly a fair, or proportional, representation of people in our country, is it? Which is why it's hardly surprising they're so biased on this issue.
I think the media and entertainment industry at large is completely out of touch with the rest of humanity on this subject.

Thanks for the reminder, Millytant, I would have forgotten!

Staying up for 5Live Tonight:

twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1099710579428769793

Thanks Datun, I do intend to use screen shots and comments from RMck too. Along with expressing my confidence that this is surely a misunderstanding, rather than a deliberate attempt to mislead, but still...

Have remembered that they also didn't address my point about the presenter debating whether a colleague should be sacked. Useless fuckers.

Vixxxy

"BBC is utter shite. And lying/disingenuous twats too it seems."

It certainly is and the majority odf people have no idea how bad they are.
Yesterday and the day before, the BBC breakfast show was wall to wall promoting of the US flyovers to commemorate the 75th anniversary of ONE US aircraft which crashed in Sheffield on 22nd February 1944 - 10 airmen were killed - all very tragic.
However, another incident occurred on 22nd February 1944, which was reckoned by many at the time to be a war crime - the bombing of Nijmegen in Holland by the same US bombers which left well over 700 civilians dead. It was the BBC's Dan Walker who led this "crusade" to remember 10 dead American airmen, pity he couldn't remember the 55,573 RAF Bomber Command crew who perished in WW2 which works out at 25 airmen each day for the entire war.

brill.com/abstract/book/edcoll/9789004292017/BP000005.xml

I wonder if the lower Vit D levels and less active lifestyles were due to time spent gaming/on computers? Is there a link with living in a misogynistic online fantasy echo chamber and thinking you can change your real life ‘avatar’ too?

In any case a study of 25 inactive men has no relevance to active men who wish to compete in female sport.