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FPFW disinvited from discussing Martina's comments on 5Live

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TransposersArePosers · 18/02/2019 11:00

Nicola WIlliams was invited to speak about Martina's comments along with RM. This on the FPFW facebook page

We were then disinvited after Rachel McKinnon publicly refused to participate if we were included. We discussed this decision with editor Philo Holland explaining how this is a frequently used tactic to silencing opposing views. It contravenes BBC editorial guidelines to allow a guest to veto the appearance of another

So the BBC being biased again, what a surprise. And a GC voice being no platformed. Why is it that these individuals are frightened to go up against the common sense facts??

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Datun · 18/02/2019 12:51

Plus the presenter Stephen Nolan really irked me when he asked twice "Should the BBC sack Martina from being a pundit?".

The bloody cheek of it. Who the hell is Stephen Nolan?

antifa · 18/02/2019 12:51

Still with the lies antifa.

Look up the tweet yourself. It's fairly easy to find.

butteryellow · 18/02/2019 12:51

It wasn't thinly veiled antifa - lets not try to make it sound nefarious when it wasn't.

A member from Mosside spoke about how they went out in their community to raise awareness of the plans to change the GRA - and yes, they spoke to gangs of lads on bikes, and all the various other people that were there, because they're part of the community. Or shouldn't women be able to discuss things that affect a community with members of that community? Aren't lads in Mosside allowed to be engaged in politics?

HawayMan · 18/02/2019 12:51

Does anyone remember when Jenni Murray was reminded to be impartial after writing a very balanced gender critical article? This was even though her article was published outside of the BBC... I hope Jenni raises this!

Oxytocindeficient · 18/02/2019 12:48

You were right the first time nauticant

littlbrowndog · 18/02/2019 12:47

Haha nauticant
Fucking nailed it

Apollo440 · 18/02/2019 12:47

Still with the lies antifa. Scary that working class women have opinions and talked to other locals. So DFOD.

Oxytocindeficient · 18/02/2019 12:46

antifa

Lies.

nauticant · 18/02/2019 12:45

You appear to be on the wrong planet thread.

antifa · 18/02/2019 12:43

Any group that boasts (in a thinly veiled way) about approaching 'gangs of lads' on the streets to educate them about the threat from trans people probably deserves to be disinvited... or actually not invited in the first place.

GiantKitten · 18/02/2019 12:43

Watching this with great interest. If the BBC did decide that they couldn’t use Martina any more, due to her “transphobia”, I imagine that would get a massive amount of publicity and peak trans millions of people.

McKinnon really deserves to have his astronaut/flat earth comparison come back & bite him on the bum (he pretty much got away with don’t you know who I am? in the original row).

In many ways it’s good for us that he’s getting so much publicity & trampling on common sense. Give him enough rope...

Datun · 18/02/2019 12:42

McKinnon also said lesbians shoul£ get accustomed to cocks

And that children should come to McKinnon and McKinnon's glitter family, if their parents refuse to affirm them.

Did anyone else hear the ‘comedy moment’ halfway through where RMcK misgenders transwomen and calls them ‘he’ before correcting themselves?

Is there a meme yet?

Bananasarenottheonlyfruit · 18/02/2019 12:38

Just posted on the other thread, hadn’t seen this one. Was hoping some of you more eloquent people would have some words to help me draft a complaint here, so happy to see this thread.

Did anyone else hear the ‘comedy moment’ halfway through where RMcK misgenders transwomen and calls them ‘he’ before correcting themselves?

Carowiththegoodhair · 18/02/2019 12:34

Sorry scrub previous comment. Read what happened. I didn’t realise they still had McKinnon on. Outrageous and worth complaining.

I refused to appear on TV with someone recently for reasons of personal safety. Not that they pulled the debate. They just got a different contributor.

nauticant · 18/02/2019 12:31

Biological woman: works harder on those stubborn stains than any other type of woman.

Carowiththegoodhair · 18/02/2019 12:27

This is normal. I’ve been involved in these types of stunts.

If McKinnon refused to appear they cannot simply have Nic because of rules on impartiality. It comes across as one-sided.

zanahoria · 18/02/2019 12:26

Radio Five Live?

or Rasio Woke Bloke?

BertrandRussell · 18/02/2019 12:23

“McKinnon also said lesbians shoul£ get accustomed to cocks“

When try get over their “genital hangups” of course.....

Popchyk · 18/02/2019 12:22

Plus the presenter Stephen Nolan really irked me when he asked twice "Should the BBC sack Martina from being a pundit?".

Stephen Nolan is a BBC employee.

I'd be out on my arse if I openly asked other people to offer opinions on whether a colleague should be sacked. And if I did it in public with hundreds of thousands of people listening, there would be hell to pay.

It is utterly unprofessional.

And I really can't imagine him asking football guests if Gary Lineker should be sacked by the BBC for talking about Brexit or whatever.

But women are fair game, it seems.

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 18/02/2019 12:21

Totally agree Datun.

Biological woman, what does that even mean anymore when anyone with xy chromosomes can claim they are? Also sounds rather like a perfunctory brand of laundry powder.

littlbrowndog · 18/02/2019 12:13

McKinnon also said lesbians shoul£ get accustomed to cocks

Datun · 18/02/2019 12:10

I can't help thinking it's yet another own goal.

Times have changed and no platforming is being recognised for what it is.

Plus, the BBC can side with McKinnon, whose bullying, unhinged antics are plastered across the Internet, Instead of Martina Navratilova, all they like.

It's not a good look for them.

Rachel Mckinnon has said that they are a biological women. I hope the BBC realise who they are endorsing.

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 18/02/2019 12:02

Oh poor Rachel, delicate little flower has to be protected from those nasty GC women talking to them. So brave and stunning. Sobs.

Oxytocindeficient · 18/02/2019 11:55

My god, the BBC really is coming across as the worst of a bad bunch. Utterly disgusting from them.

Needmoresleep · 18/02/2019 11:55

The BBC, like the Guardian, is its own echo chamber. Diversity training from Stonewall, LGBT staff groups, all with the emphasis on the T.

I think the Times/Spectator were effectively peak trans'd last year when editors saw the flaming reaction to carefully written articles by senior journalists. The Mail, obviously, was never PC and so had less of a journey to make.

The Guardian has a problem. They rely on donations, often from the US, not readership. Even a mild editorial last year suggesting there were potential conflicts received a massive push back from their US based staff. Without a proper reality check it will simply continue on its journey to irrelevance. Other papers will widen their editorial policies to chase former Guardian readers.

The BBC though is different. Having a national and impartial broadcaster is important. Editorial decision making seems to happen in some sort of woke bubble, with the priority aim seem to be chasing yoof with ADD, plus an occasional costume drama for oversea sales. Strictly and Masterchef, like Bake Off can be made by anyone. The BBC has a remit to educate. They should be challenging listeners. Not allowing a debate between Rachel and Nik, suggests that their listeners are not capable of, or should not be allowed to, make up their own minds. Which means that the sort of intelligent listeners, and this includes young people wanting to be stretched as well as old, who would be the first to argue the case to retain a licence fee, will not longer find the BBCs offerings attractive.

(A different debate here, but when chasing yoof I am not sure if broadcasters and advertisers realise how many young people are both tolerant, but also socially quite conservative. Things like the number who are teetotal, or the diminishing interest in the NUS. A specific example, but I suspect more young people get RoseofDawn than Lily Madigan. I tested the Martina article out on my DC and yes, it is an issue they find difficult, as balancing fairness and tolerance are difficult. There is sympathy for both Semenyer and for peers who believe they are "in the wrong body" but no desire to see women losing opportunities in sports and education because they are unable, physically, to compete. In short the sort of issue that the BBC should be covering in a balanced way to allow listeners to inform themselves. )