FPFW disinvited from discussing Martina's comments on 5Live

2.8% of BBC senior management identify as transgender.

So roughly the same proportion as we find in prisons...

Pointless post as she struggles to think of a link.

For the first time ever I'm going to send a complaint to the BBC

it's a slippery slope nauticant

I'm now a twice a month woman

and toying with sending my second complaint of the day after seeing the segment about that poor little boy who does drag

For the first time ever I'm going to send a complaint to the BBC. There's good stuff above. I'm going to add to mine that as someone who has supported the TV Licence all of my life I'm now having doubts about its validity as I watch the BBC become willing to permit certain points of view and suppress others, especially in relation to contentious political matters.

The BBC are behaving pretty horrifically in many areas at the moment. This is because they are under the government cosh. To me it comes directly back to the TRA power relationship with the Tory government.

But nonetheless .

According to their own figures, 2.8% of BBC senior management identify as transgender. Which is much higher than the rest of the population as a whole.

BBC Equality Information Report 2018

You cannot help but feel that this contributes to programming which affirms transgender ideology and silences those who put forward science-based arguments.

Women and women's groups are being routinely silenced at the BBC. Time for an investigation.

It would be such an own goal, or the tennis equivalent, should the BBC fire someone over personal views expressed carefully in a major newspaper. Views which the vast majority of the public are likely to agree with.

Jane fae. Now a feminist
Madigan now a lesbian

Can’t stand women having things that they are not the centre off

Steve Nolan twice encouraged his interviewees to call for the sacking of his colleague Martina Navratilova from the BBC

WTF

Because TRAs can't stand women who don't centre men, and you don't get much less man-centreing than being a lesbian.

I am baffled why, women particularly lesbians are disliked so much by the trans. folk. When they make such an effort and go through so much to be women themselves. Or is it just the transition from male to female rather than female to male that are so aggressive.

Its outrageous. The BBC must feel invincible. I am definitely up for a TV licence boycott.

I agree that the more public this gets the more people will see though the obvious and manipulative tactics.

I posted this on another thread. Has anyone taken a complaint through to
Ofcom. Perhaps now is the time to do it.
From Saturday's Times
The prevalence of soft news and “clickbait” on the BBC website will be examined during the biggest independent review ever taken of the corporation’s news output.

The media regulator Ofcom is investigating how the BBC is “adapting to the changing news environment”, including online. The review, to be published by the end of the year, will also monitor the BBC’s impartiality and analyse whether it remains trusted by audiences.
A BBC spokeswoman said: “Ofcom has yet to confirm the terms of reference for its review of the BBC’s news and current affairs output.

“The Cairncross review strongly supported the BBC’s role in providing high-quality, trusted and impartial news. It’s vital that people of all ages have access to impartial news which is relevant to them, and we provide younger audiences with a wide range of stories.”

Ofcom will assess the range and depth of news content across BBC TV, radio and online. A spokesman for the watchdog said: “We too want to see a healthy, vibrant news market that supports high-quality journalism.”

You'd have thought the Daily Mail would love a headline about the BBC letting guests veto other guests to avoid challenge.

Nothing about this on either the 5Live TwitTurd or Nolan's own page.

We can only assume they will hear the other side of the story at a later date(?)

I have sent in a complaint to the BBC, much good it will do!
I have also shouted at the Radio so loudly (Radio 2, Jeremy Vine, testosterone in sport) that the cats jumped three foot in the air and shot out of the cat flap like cartoon characters.

Now it’s serious, start messing with my cats and you are on dodgy ground.
I’m exhausted and it’s only bloody Monday!

And if McKinnon wouldn't go on, ask someone else.

But it is the beauty of that tactic. None of them will go on.

And then you get non trans people claiming that women don't try hard enough. And people will just dismiss that opinion as having no weight, because it's so stupid.

You need a trans representative. And if they refuse to discuss it, what are you left with?

They are making the BBC look ridiculous.

Fortunately everyone is waking up to this. Whereas before the tactic was effective, now it's just seen as a tactic.

This is normal. I’ve been involved in these types of stunts. If McKinnon refused to appear they cannot simply have Nic because of rules on impartiality. It comes across as one-sided.

So how is having just McKinnon left n without Nic ok then?!?

This is the text of my complaint to the BBC, feel free to nick anything useful. I ran out of room because I wanted to quote the full FPFW statement, but other complains might wish to go into detail on the bias issue.

Section 6.4.28 of the editorial guidelines states:

"the refusal of an individual or an organisation to make a contribution should not be allowed to act as a veto on the appearance of other contributors holding different views"

Fair Play For Women has released this statement, indicating a clear breach of this policy:
Yesterday afternoon our spokeswoman, Dr Nicola Williams, was booked onto BBC 5 Live's Stephen Nolan late news show to discuss Martina Navratilova's comments about trans participation in female sport. We were then disinvited after Rachel McKinnon publicly refused to participate if we were included. We discussed this decision with editor Philo Holland explaining how this is a frequently used tactic to silencing opposing views. It contravenes BBC editorial guidelines to allow a guest to veto the appearance of another. We were assured that Stephen Nolan was an experienced and tough interviewer and he would act as the challenging opposing voice. We were not satisfied with this and were offered a right to reply in a slot after midnight or in next Sunday's show. The interview went ahead without us with Rachel McKinnon and UK trans racing driver Charlie Martin.

www.facebook.com/fairplayforwomen/?tn=%2Cd%2CP-R&eid=ARA5gq-z6AFIgebfcnAr5fAgElskgVn20eRxVpX74sHrAVuR7hWQXLE-cJ6ktJjND_X0vecCsiFtURu6

Furthermore Steve Nolan twice encouraged his interviewees to call for the sacking of his colleague Martina Navratilova from the BBC. Martina is an expert on the challenges faced by women in sport, to demand a colleague is sacked for discussing women's rights is pretty daft.

The entire interview was conducted in an uncritical manner. There was no attempt to examine the details of Martina's argument. Not challenging the motives of Rachel Mckinnon in particular, who has been widely accused of misogynistic bullying for her previous behaviour towards Martina (who she clearly despises) does give the appearance of bias.

A friends son is a professional footballer, and spent his teenage years essentially boarding in a big name club's academy. Quite a lot of the other boys were from north and west Africa with little education. Sport was their passport to unbelievable riches, so when the cut came it was brutal. My friend agrees with me, that if the option were there to self ID as a woman and play, say, for Chelsea or Man Utd ladies, it would be very tempting. And these lads would be easily good enough. A very different motivation to sex -offenders in prison, but a motivation no less.

In short certain things are ring-fenced for women for good reasons. Self ID takes these away. At minimum this needs to be discussed. But clearly not at the BBC.

I study at quite a sporty university. Whilst our Students’ Union is wokesville, the sports department is not. I don’t know a single athlete here, pro or amateur, who thinks that trans women should be able to compete with women.

Classist oaf.

Indeed.

McKinnon really doesn’t like fairness, on the sports field or off it, it’s clear.

the TRAs are bloody terrified of Nic, especially following the success of the FPFW campaign re prisons. Now her big guns are pointed at sport they know they don't stand a chance.

This.

And I agree that three male voices discussing how female sport should be dismantled, isn't going to win them many fans.

Any group that boasts (in a thinly veiled way) about approaching 'gangs of lads' on the streets to educate them about the threat from trans people inform them about a public consultation affecting women's rights and encourage them to fill it in.

There. Fixed your classist offensiveness for you, Antifa. How dare you assume that gangs of lads would have no interest in women's rights and were just hanging about on their bikes waiting to be told who to beat up next.

Classist oaf.

yes, they spoke to gangs of lads on bikes

I can just imagine the innocent way it would be interpreted on here (aka hypocrisy central) if a trans person tweeted about approaching 'gangs of lads' to warn them about transphobes.