Caster Semenya

What the heck with all the deletions @MNHQ I’ve had two deleted and no email explanations.

Just watched that video - wow.

Caster is very comfortable and relaxed being Caster and no pretence at anything else.

Great on a personal level but rather surprising in the context of achievements made in women's athletics.

So basically, many of elite female athletes are actually men?

Fuck.

That would require training a large number of people being trained to do such tests. Anyone can watch an athlete pee in a bottle, it requires no specialist expertise.

And the saliva test won't cut it?

Sorry random 'of' there

So basically, many of elite female athletes are actually men?

I may have posted this 2014 study before:
Serum Androgen Levels in Elite Female Athletes

Prevalence of hyperandrogenic 46 XY DSD in our athletic population is approximately 7 per 1000, which is 140 times higher than expected in the general population.

Because, in this study, screening for SRY was not performed (we looked only for women that were hyperandrogenic), it is possible that the actual prevalence of 46 XY was even higher.
Moreover, our results concur with previous report (34) and the DSD (carrying the SRY gene) prevalence observed during the 1992 (7.5 per 1000) and the 1996 (2.67 per 1000) Olympic Games (28)

I commented on a previous thread along the lines that Semenya will have known their chromosomal makeup for a long time and has decided to continue competing in that knowledge

Yes .. CS will have known since 2009 although may have been "encouraged" by others involved with athletics who could make money at that time to continue.

More recently, CS knows the difference between lies and falsehoods; between right and wrong.

So, today, I think that CS knows the truth about biological status. XY = male.

In summary, monumental gaslight since 2009 then

Yes, but let’s not forget that gaslighting with regards to trans far pre dates 2009.

The South African federation will have known full well what they were doing. There's no way that the first time questions were asked was the 2009 world championships, and her status has been very much politicised in SA since.

In summary, monumental gaslight since 2009 then?

My money has been on 5-ARD for a long time and still is.

I commented on a previous thread along the lines that Semenya will have known their chromosomal makeup for a long time and has decided to continue competing in that knowledge, whatever that knowledge might be. Didn't state more than that. Was screeched at by a handmaiden.

And I should add that Semenyas's winning time was beaten by the men's Olympic record holder in 1912.

Money. It all comes down to money

I recall clearly back in the late 60s (even though I was only a kid), seeing the late, great athlete Lilian Board (for those too young to know, she died shockingly early, aged just 22, of bowel cancer) talking about what were then called "sex tests".

She said "You have to sort of strip..." Now, if they're looking for humiliating...

Wiki on Lilian Board, for those interested.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillian_Board

Thanks MrsSpencer - I can see why CS would conceal the truth, but why would everyone else?

And I agree, the whole “humiliating” thing re: testing comes from the same stable as “literal violence” from saying men aren’t women.

Can't they just do a blood test?

That would require training a large number of people being trained to do such tests. Anyone can watch an athlete pee in a bottle, it requires no specialist expertise.

I am at fault here ... I failed to mention the two Gold Medals that the magnificent woman who is Sharron Davies won two Gold Medals at Commonwealth level.

Unsurprisingly, the Commonwealth competitions excluded the testosterone-fuelled East German and Russian athletes at that time, while recognising that these athletes did not know they were testosterone fuelled and that this time in history was utterly corrupt in terms of female sports.

Sako was CS'S trainer

MockerstheFeManist

Can't they just do a blood test?

If you are easily embarrassed, best not become an elite athlete, because a complete stranger will turn up at your door with a little bottle for you to pee into, and they will have you watch you do it, and that is really watch, at close range, to observe the liquid emerging from you.

@SlipperyLizard I think the fact that CS has repeatedly, since 2009, refused to confirm or deny that CS has a Y chromosome, has always suggested that CS knew about it from that point on. I am prepared to believe that it was a shock - as others have said, CS, grew up in a very poor area where access to genetic testing etc simply would not have been possible. But this story has rumbled on for 10 years now and there is absolutely no way that CS can claim anything other than total intention to deceive everyone since 2009, albeit with encouragement / assistance from promoters, trainers etc.

I do have a lot of sympathy for CS. They should have been given support, counselling etc when this all happened in 2009. Instead they have been exploited and let down.