Owen Jones again!

I have a suggestion for OJ. He asked :

What are the most important struggles led by women we should all be talking about right now? I mean either local or national struggles, on anything from equal pay to workers right to fighting male violence to service provision?

Well, one of the recurring answers - and presumably if he can't see the GC responses then quite dominant in what he can see - is the issue of 1950s women's pensions.
So, if this question was raised seriously, pick up that unglamorous ball and run with it, OJ. Put your woke trendy causes aside and try to do some good for women who have been women all their lives. Women who often didn't have a chance to build up private or company pensions due to the lack of equality and structural sexism throughout much of their lives.

I'm not blocked, so I'll boil it down to incompetent twitter use... it wouldn't be the first time

I've just been on the twitter thread and can't see Fionne's or Debbie's replies, I wonder if he's had a good clear out of people who raise awkward points.

I can still see them.

Debbie has 850 likes which is way more than any other point. I've copied it all now incase he does cancel people off.

Thanks for caring about women Rik

”he's like a modern day version of Rik from The Young Ones”
Yes!

lol zana he is indeed.

I've just been on the twitter thread and can't see Fionne's or Debbie's replies, I wonder if he's had a good clear out of people who raise awkward points.

What an amazing journalist he is.

joan45, yes, granted, it will be enjoyable to watch his 'Portillo losing the election' moment.

Re state pension age: it was delayed twice for one group of women, me among them. The whole thing has been handled appallingly and I had 2yr 5mth notice that I would have to wait an extra 6yr for it. That means I lost out on almost £50K of pension payments, an amount it was impossible to make up by working more etc.

he's like a modern day version of Rik from The Young Ones

And it's also the fact that they weren't informed of it. They went on thinking that they'd be collecting their state pension at 60, not realising they were going to have to work for another six years - so they didn't make alternative plans.

www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jul/09/women-pension-age-trap-40000-out-of-pocket

Women born in a narrow band of years fall foul of the increase in pension collecting age. So women born one year apart can face a difference of a few years in when they can claim their pensions. It’s very unfair

The replies are wonderful

As an aside, can anyone explain the pensions issue for women born in the 1950s? It comes up on there a number of times, but shamefully because a) it doesn't directly affect and and b) not being in the UK means I miss out on a lot of news that isn't front and centre, I wasn't aware of this.

I tried to do a MN search to see if there was a thread on FWR already, but you know how useless the MN search function is (top hit was a thread from 2006....)

Owen's going to be too busy to worry about the wimlins today.

He'll be wrong side of history-ing in an entirely different direction.

• *@choochoohime is apart from being an American? (The person accusing Debbie of being a TERF)

I actually agree with them regarding the existence and nature of systematic oppression. One could argue it applies to female trans allies who work towards removing females sex based rights. They also say that there’s just 3 trans people in the "whole world" that are rejecting the abolition of sex based rights! 🤥 I can’t believe they don’t know that there’s WAY more. Twitter really is full of LOUD con men.*

@choochoohime has actually removed their Twitter comments now. Well the ones I refer to here. Just shows that it's worth calling these con men out!

He must have most of Twitter blocked then if he's read the comments under The Guardian article on Martina Navratilova #owensechochamber

Jones blocks GC accounts so it's unlikely that he's in the loop.

I bet that a particular message is just filtering through to him: that a tranche of dependable women have moved out of the Labour, Tory, Lib Dem and Green Parties, and are no longer available to do the the heavy lifting at local level.

Funny that the penny only drops when there are just under 12 weeks to go before the local council elections.

Blimey, this and Martina on one day, its like GC christmas

LOL


Does anyone know who @choochoohime is apart from being an American? (The person accusing Debbie of being a TERF)

I actually agree with them regarding the existence and nature of systematic oppression. One could argue it applies to female trans allies who work towards removing females sex based rights. They also say that there’s just 3 trans people in the "whole world" that are rejecting the abolition of sex based rights! 🤥 I can’t believe they don’t know that there’s WAY more. Twitter really is full of LOUD con men.

Just the fact that people bring trans rights up as soon as the question of women comes up is starting to really piss me off. Only because the same is virtually never done to men. Trans people can be male or female so why only challenge women to deal with it all?

I think I’m going to try to avoid Twitter! Bah humbug!

Peace ✌️

We see you, Owen

Why does he not do some research? There are a multitude of books, articles and websites on the subject. What is he actually going to do about any of it, except maybe write some newspaper columns and increase his own profile?

Fionne is spot on. Brilliant response.

Blimey, this and Martina on one day, its like GC christmas.

Who gives a shit if the man rows back? There's plenty of decent men who have stood up for women when the brickbats flew, why would I give a fuck if this snotty egotist deigned to agree that women have the rights they already won? He can get tae fuck.

He will backtrack eventually but will try to obscure the backtrack by "discovering" all on his lonesome how homophobic transgender ideology is. He will unmask it all with him cast as the hero of the hour (despite Julie Bindel talking about it for decades).

And he will further try to muddy the waters by blaming all women for not raising the homophobia aspect sooner. Or in the correct manner. Or not being polite enough. Or being too polite. Or not having enough respect for gay men or something.

Tosser.