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Times 16/2/1/9 Staff at trans clinic fear damage to children......

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Melroses · 16/02/2019 18:25

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/staff-at-trans-clinic-fear-damage-to-children-as-activists-pile-on-pressure-c5k655nq9

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NotTerfNorCis · 16/02/2019 19:16

Does anyone here think it's possible that a child could be naturally 'trans' and need surgery as the only possible option? Even if it's just a small fraction of those being diagnosed as trans?

LangCleg · 16/02/2019 19:15

We know that this will not end well. We know that children are being groomed online. We know that teachers and other professionals working with children are being intimidated and silenced from taking protective action, we know that safeguarding guidelines are being repeatedly challenged and breached and that there is a concerted effort by trans activists to place trans children outside the protection of their parents and other responsible adults. This is clearly evidenced. Yet there is total silence from those charged with the welfare and safety of our children while these groups and individuals run amok destroying our nuanced child safeguarding systems.

This.

Popchyk · 16/02/2019 19:15

I don't know how this could actually be made any more plain.

These children are being damaged. Horribly and irreversibly.

Clinicians are being hounded and bullied by lobby groups (who receive public money to do the hounding and bullying).

How the fuck is there no public enquiry into this? This is state-sanctioned child abuse.

Needmoresleep · 16/02/2019 19:11

Follow the money..

Mermaids is an organisation whose purpose is to lobby organisations like Gids. A lot of their funding comes from the public sector.

And poor doctors get stuck in the middle. Perhaps the £500,000 proposed lottery funding could go to Gids instead,so staff have the resources to come to the right diagnosis for each child.

ChattyLion · 16/02/2019 19:05

This is so disturbing:

It says some children “take up a trans identity as a solution” to “multiple problems such as historic child abuse in the family, bereavement . . . homophobia and a very significant incidence of autism spectrum disorder” after being “coached” online and by trans activist groups.

The true histories of “highly disturbed or complex” child patients were not properly explored by Gids clinicians struggling with “huge and unmanageable caseloads” and afraid of being accused of transphobia if they questioned the “rehearsed” surface presentation.

This is an NHS service clearly under enormous financial strain and unprecedented caseload expansion who are necessarily making very fine judgements. This article underlines why watchful waiting should be the standard approach- the pressure on services shows exactly why it is needed.

Those groups online are absolutely amoral to be coaching kids what to say to the service to get medical treatment (ie encouraging kids not to be content with psychological support and proper exploration of the issues they are struggling with).

Basic medical ethics recognises that treatments should seek to preserve the child’s right to an open future. Blockers, and hormones putting kids on a track to permanent prepubescence and probably surgery at an age when they can’t possibly appreciate what they are giving up.. and what health problems they are taking on... is closing down future options and unnecessarily turning healthy kids into lifelong medical patients.

FFS, grown up women who ask for a sterilisation in their 20s and 30s all say that they are refused multiple times by their doctors in case they change their minds and want a baby. Why on earth are we setting young kids off down this track?

feministfairy · 16/02/2019 19:03

What a frightening article that matches the experiences of so many professionals working with children and adolescents. It is a scandal of epic proportions that professional expertise and the insight and experience of parents has been so badly trashed by ignorant trans activists that the safety of children is totally compromised.

We know that this will not end well. We know that children are being groomed online. We know that teachers and other professionals working with children are being intimidated and silenced from taking protective action, we know that safeguarding guidelines are being repeatedly challenged and breached and that there is a concerted effort by trans activists to place trans children outside the protection of their parents and other responsible adults. This is clearly evidenced. Yet there is total silence from those charged with the welfare and safety of our children while these groups and individuals run amok destroying our nuanced child safeguarding systems.

It will be too late for a generation of children rendered infertile and mutilated if we have to wait for the first lawsuits against the organisations and individuals who failed to protect these children.

Thank you to Andrew Gilligan and the Times for continuing to expose this abuse of our children.

Melroses · 16/02/2019 18:56

Historically, I expect that the children referred to them would have already been through layers of assessment elsewhere, having got as far as seeking help in the first place, so they would not have been making a primary diagnosis.

Now, children have access to many sources of 'information' and are able to self-diagnose.

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Anlaf · 16/02/2019 18:52

Holy fuck

We often assume GIDs to be a benign actor in all this, making the best decisions for children in an practice with a shaky evidence base.

But that report is damning

BetsyM00 · 16/02/2019 18:51

The bit that stood out for me was that despite the concerns of staff the service was found to be "operating in line with the best practice in this field internationally". Just means international standards are a bit shoddy.

Interestingly, the article is not open to comments.

HawkeyeInConfusion · 16/02/2019 18:50

Transing of kids is the thing that makes me angry beyond anything else on this subject.

Melroses · 16/02/2019 18:45

"The true histories of “highly disturbed or complex” child patients were not properly explored by Gids clinicians struggling with “huge and unmanageable caseloads” and afraid of being accused of transphobia if they questioned the “rehearsed” surface presentation. The report says the concerns voiced by staff are shared by Sonia Appleby, who is in charge of safeguarding at the trust."

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