Trans Teen Survival Guide by Fox and Owl

I knew the sex of my children while still pregnant as I had CVS tests done (due to an inherited condition) and as part of that they look at all chromosomes, including the sex chromosomes. I do sometimes wonder if a simple blood test at birth (or before, now that they can be done non-invasively) might actually be a good idea. Then everyone would know, in the vast majority of cases, that they had a genetically entirely normal male or female, which might help with all the "special snowflake, my child is different/special/born in the wrong body nonsense". And if a baby did have a DSD aka intersex condition, everyone would know from day 1 and appropriate designations and medical interventions could be made - rather than terrible shocks at puberty, if its not immediately obvious that there's a difference at birth.

As for advisibg children to cut ties with family who dont except then. How about you talk to the children who have been thrown out of there homes becouse there not accepted. Becouse there gay, bi, trans

I'm not talking about those children. Those children of course need help and support.

I am talking about children whose parents do not want them to take drugs that will have irreversible effects on their bodies, or cut off healthy body parts. Children who are being told to cut ties with their parents, simply because their parents don't believe that humans can change sex.

Sex my childs sex i cant define that with out a blood test and dna evidence

And yet, humans have always seemed to be able to tell which class of humans to rape, sexually assault, murder at birth, deny an abortion to, deny an education to, deny employment to, deny the vote to.

All without the need for blood tests or DNA samples.

Clever huh?

Wait till they identify? But why?

You can’t change sex. They’re Male, or female and will be from conception. So you’re saying either that

1. You believe humans can pick their sex

1. At childhood or whenever we must pick a side and only like the stereotypes associated with one sex?

Don’t you see how peculiar that is?

What can’t a girl like ‘boy stuff’ and be a girl? She can’t ever change sex.

You dont believe humans can change sex, surely? That’s the only way any of what you say would make sense

Nobody is assigned a gender at birth.

Sex is observed. Always at birth, very often before. If there’s any ambiguity whatsoever reporting can be delayed until a more thorough workup is done.

But that’s irrelevant- because intersex conditions are nothing to do with transgender

Call the midwife is fiction, you know that ?

Heather Brunskell-Evans's speech "The Transgender Child" at WNTT Bristol was somewhat overshadowed by the protestors in masks - but it is such an intelligent, thoughtful, well-researched talk.

Well worth listening to the end (because the beginning is distracted by her experience of the protestors) and thinking about. She's first up on the link.

my childs sex i cant define that with out a blood test and dna evidence

Is your child a teenager yet? If they start bleeding from their genitals will you take them to the doctor or reassure them that it’s completely normal?

That’s a good indication

A blood test

Sex is observed at birth by looking at the baby's external genitalia. Midwives have been doing this since the year dot. No routine blood testing at birth is required.

Gender is bunk - societal imposed roles that we should all be disregarding in 2019. Disregarding - rather than artificially changing our children's bodies to match up with a particular gender.

Oh yess actual questions. Sex my childs sex i cant define that with out a blood test and dna evidence. How they identify i should not be defining. Assined gender refures to the gender given at birth which without a blood test could and sadly has been asigned wrong. Watch call the midwife catch up. As for advisibg children to cut ties with family who dont except then. How about you talk to the children who have been thrown out of there homes becouse there not accepted. Becouse there gay, bi, trans

A teenager isn't going to go looking for this book unless they feel they are transgender. Most people do not question their gender.

This is why people like you are so dangerous. Most kids question their masculinity/femininity. Up until now, though, the next stage was not thinking they were the wrong sex. Because you are so old-fashioned, fresh out of the 1950s, thinking that gender roles must be assigned to a sex.

Praps you can account for the 4000% rise in children showing up to gender clinics?

Or the 76 children in one Brighton school, all coming out at once?

Maybe you subscribe to the theory of there being something in the water, that has recently been mooted it on here. Genuinely.

I don't want my daughter to be infertile, have no sex life, and be on drugs for the rest of her life, because she thinks she's the wrong sex, as she is butch.

Leave children alone.

A teenager isn't going to go looking for this book unless they feel they are transgender. Most people do not question their gender

One of the repeated claims of trans rights' YouTube celebrities is 'if you are asking if you are transgender you probably are'

Unless you're Rachel McKinnon, who believes transwomen magically shrink in the wash, or something

😂

You can read enough of it on Amazon 'look inside' to critique tbh. Anyone talking about sex "assigned at birth" should not be given any credence at all.

'Sex assigned at birth' is factually incorrect unscientific bunkum used to prop up an ideology that is dangerous to women and children. Your sex is determined at conception and cannot be changed.

Putting gender confused children on a lifelong medicalised pathway at such a tender age - to supposedly change their bodies to match their "gender identity" - is dangerous nonsense.

my wife would never hurt a fly shes a very kind soul

My husband would never hurt a fly, he is the kindest soul I have ever met. He still, quite rightly, can't go in the ladies loos because he is male. And also, other women don't know that he would never hurt them.

Substitute trans with black and if what you've written sounds racists

Okay i will:
"Anyone who says they are Black is black, no debate, no questions!"

Doesn't really work does it?

Mitasuki42

I will admit I have not read the whole book. However, I would like to know your view on the claim from the book that observing a baby's genitals at birth to determine their sex is 'Ew, gross, we know'.

And also the part about telling children that if their parents are not totally on board with the whole trans thing, that simply cutting contact is the best thing to do. Do you agree that alienating children from their families, telling children that their family doesn't really understand them, doesn't really care about them etc are tactics widely used by people who are trying to groom children. Do you recognise the parallels and do you think that telling children to cut contact with their families is the best advice, especially when that child may already be vulnerable?

but is scared to use the lady as she feers every female who would get there husbands to beet her up for being who she is.

Then she understands the threat males impose on females then doesn't she.
Do you honestly not see how this transfers to all women?
Do you not see how self ID means the men your wife is scared of can say they are women and get to her in female spaces too?
You must see how this isn't helping her?

my wife would never hurt a fly shes a very kind soul

That's nice for you but doesn't say anything about males as a class. Since women can't distinguish the kind souls from the dangerous predators by looking at them we need to exclude all males.

but is scared to use the lady as she feers every female who would get there husbands to beet her up for being who she is

Transwomen do not get beaten up in women's bathrooms. They do however make women and children feel uncomfortable at the very least. Your 'wife' should perhaps be less concerned with their own safety and moreso with the safety and comfort of the women whose space they are using.

She is not a guy in the ladys she is a beutiful person who needs a wee

If your wife is a Transwoman then regardless of how beautiful they are they shouldn't be using female facilities

'substitute trans with black and if what you've written sounds racists, then you are being transphobic'. Try it.

"I believe that any person should be entitled to self-ID as trans black, no questions asked."

Mitasuki, the reason that we discuss the greater threat to females from males is because the threat IS greater from males to females. The situations aren't symmetrical because human males differ from human females; males are on average larger and have more muscle mass than females. You know this, if you pause to think about it. You really do.

(Unless you're Rachel McKinnon, who believes transwomen magically shrink in the wash, or something.)

Yes causes im a mum an my job is to suport my child not force them to be what there not.

Our job is to protect our child.

What do you mean forcing them to be what they’re not? Do you believe they can actually change sex?

Ok so the debate here is about?
A book. Well the simple question if your have read the book you can coment aparently doesn't apply to this thread.
A way of life for familys in the uk.
Aparently not as there has been no open conversation around how familys work an deal with the day in day out of 'living with trans'
the authers intent well thats been talked about alot but very one sided. Any veiws from the auters.
open debate on the toliet issue yes lots of that. an can i add my wife would never hurt a fly shes a very kind soul but is scared to use the lady as she feers every female who would get there husbands to beet her up for being who she is. She is not a guy in the ladys she is a beutiful person who needs a wee. Thankfully im disables so she suports me an we use the accessable toliets but think of the trans kids that your hurting with your debate on toilets. Theres no debate about a trans male using the males toliets. Bit one sided as a debate.
What else hum youth clubs. how about you stop debating what an how. If this is about a book debate the book you have read. If its about slaming the book and puting negative posts up on amazon dont bother. Amazon will deleat reveiws if your slaming it without a verified sale. As for me as soon as i have funds im buying this for my child who has said they are nonbinary trans. Am i forcing them sown a medical route no. Am i shaming them or focing them in any way no. Do i just except them to find there own path in life an when there ready will suport them in what they want. Yes causes im a mum an my job is to suport my child not force them to be what there not.

So debate please the content of the book...... After you have bought it an read the full thing