Bi-sexulaity currently taking a kicking over at the Guardigan

I'm not saying any of this is facts by the way, only what I think of it all.

there is in mine
Yes but that’s just a personal preference not the actual definition.

I only like to shag tall indie boys with long hair and dirty Levi’s.
That’s not the definition one straight though.

I plucked up the courage to ask my woke teens to explain the difference between bi- and pan-sexual. These conversations are always a minefield and usually best avoided, but I genuinely wanted to hear their take on it and made a huge effort to listen properly and really try to make sense of it. Even so, I couldn't help saying, more than once, 'but if you have no genital preference surely it's just down to personality'. They rolled their eyes and sighed at my supreme ignorance.

(Apparently the key thing is that if you're pansexual you'd be open to relationships with transpeople too, as you're attracted to all sexes AND genders. I think that I - reluctantly - know more than they do about male lesbians and the cotton ceiling, and feel this is a sparkly rainbow-coloured oversimplification of ugly reality.)

Anyway, it boiled down to a fluffy confection of words and ideas that collapses quickly when exposed to logic. I came away with the feeling that it's just a youth attempt to rebrand sex in a way that suggests they invented it, and distance it from anything indulged in by their unfashionable old parents.

I think he has a right to label his sexuality however he feels.... but not other peoples.

I assumed people who say they are pansexual mean that they are also attracted to people who identify as non binary... so it's just a word to show that someone accepts 'non binary' as an actual sex.

It's interesting though... I mean is sexuality about gender or sex? I know some people dont think those things exist (I personally feel like gender doesn't really exist) but I can see that perhaps some peoples sexuality would be framed around gender rather than sex.
I'm sure there are people who are perhaps attracted to feminine societal expressions of gender, and they would be attracted to that regardless of genitals.... and I'm sure there are people who would not be able to feel attraction towards someone with certain genitals regardless of their gender expression...

So im willing to accept there are perhaps more sexuality labels than gay straight and bi....

Even though I do think there are only two biological sexes

Calvinsmam do you know what, you're absolutely right 😂 I've only got my own experience and opinions to go off obviously but I'd be telling them to fuck right off if someone called me a pansexual.

There’s nothing in the description on bisexual that says you don’t fancy trans people there is in mine!

This is another example of the trabs ideology changing other people’s identities.

Bisexual has never meant ‘doesn’t fancy trans people’, it means you fancy people of both sexes.
Then someone came along and decided to create ‘pansexual’ and therefore for it to exist they had to change the definition of bisexual.

No, fuck off.

Yes I agree there are only two sexes but to me being pan includes trans people and folk who roll about in the middle somewhere. Bi means only actual men or women. Does that make any sense?

No, because there are two sexes. Even if you’re trans. there are only actual men and women.

Bi means only actual men or women.

No it doesn’t.
It means you are attracted to both male and female people.
Trans people still have a sex which is either male or female, therefore covered.

nauticant that's horrible! I hope you told them to fuck off and mind their own business?

Yes I agree there are only two sexes but to me being pan includes trans people and folk who roll about in the middle somewhere. Bi means only actual men or women. Does that make any sense?

No, because those people are still covered by the two sex description.
There’s nothing in the description on bisexual that says you don’t fancy trans people.

As I understand it bisexual means being attracted to both men and women (bi = two), pan (many) means being attracted to any gender.

Otherwise known as men and women...

I know someone who describes themselves as 'pansexual'. What it means in reality was that she dates men - some of whom are very gender conforming and some of whom aren't at all. She has snogged a couple of girls. Oh and she has blue hair.

So, just like straight female me at the same age...

I can't take anyone who describes themselves as 'pansexual' seriously tbh.

What about the "saposexuals" . They're really special and attracted to people because of the way they think (as if this is something brand new and special and only thought of in the last 10 years . . . .)

Yes I agree there are only two sexes but to me being pan includes trans people and folk who roll about in the middle somewhere. Bi means only actual men or women. Does that make any sense?

a bi person might find tall guys attractive, and short girls

This is based on nothing.
That’s not what bi means.

The ideology sleeps on a throne of liiiiiiiiies.

Bisexual means that you fancy people of both sexes.
As there are only two sexes that covers everyone’s.

Pansexual means you fancy all genders. So everyone.

Both mean you can (not that you do) fancy anyone.
They mean exactly the same thing.

But gender is a construct.

It’s like basing your sexuality on what kind of breakfast cereal people like.

If there's one thing that really annoys me about how the ideology plays out it's bisexuals saying to lesbians "you're a bigot if you're not pansexual like me" to force them to sleep with men. I've heard it from both male and female bisexuals and I'm getting fucking sick of it.

That was an interesting Google.

Apparently "pan sexual" was 'invented' in the early 20th century

All Google hits are recent definitions

The connection to the god Pan are hard to find!

IT'S NEW I TELLS YA!

Then I found this

qz.com/1230638/omnisexual-gynosexual-demisexual-whats-behind-the-surge-in-sexual-identities/

It starts well In 1976, the French philosopher Michel Foucault made the meticulously researched case that sexuality is a social construct used as a form of control. but quickly descends to lists and complaints that the lists are not wholly inclusive!

being attracted to any gender

But for those of us who are not adherents of the Gendered Soul religion, what does this even mean?

Attracted to sex stereotype presentations? What?

Bisexual and pansexual are two different things

Bisexual = attracted sexually to men and women.
Pansexual = attracted sexually to men and women.

What’s the difference? Apart from the degree of Special?

Haha no don't worry I'm not a pansexual gender woke snowflake. As I understand it bisexual means being attracted to both men and women (bi = two), pan (many) means being attracted to any gender.

I've never dared wander over to feminism chat before, this was in the active section! So apologies if I'm against the grain.

Pansexual is really icky to me - I think they have no idea what they mean, maybe their worldview is coloured by fantasy fiction where you have ogres, elves, fairies, etc etc.

The only people whose bios have read pansexual I've come across - and purely through FWR - are furries. So I guess they include (fake) animals.

ll fenders OOh! Coal fire or automobile

There are men who seem to have an obsession with having loads of cars

This whole cult seems to be about over-obsessive labelling.

It hadn't occurred to me before but perhaps the Greek God Pan was a reference to someone who will shag anything, man or beast (or woman 😏). Anyway that's my definition of pan sexual and definitely not something to be proud of.