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Bi-sexulaity currently taking a kicking over at the Guardigan

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Bebstar123 · 15/02/2019 08:54

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/feb/14/the-pansexual-revolution-how-sexual-fluidity-became-mainstream#comments

"Nick, a 22-year-old physics and philosophy masters student at the University of York, initially thought he was bisexual as a teenager, but also now feels “pansexual” better fits his view that attraction isn’t really about gender. “I just find characteristics generally about people attractive"... a bi person might find tall guys attractive, and short girls. But he tends to fancy tall people, regardless of whether they are male or female.

As a bi sexual female who thinks gender is social BS, I had been under the impression that bisexuality related to both sex attraction. Apparently not, thanks random 22 year old bloke, thanks for sorting that out for me.

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Galvantula · 15/02/2019 13:07

@ReflectentMonatomism i immediately thought Fender =guitar too Grin

Also with you on Tele vs Strat. 🎸

Whatisthisfuckery · 15/02/2019 13:05

I’m confused, why does pansexual include trans? Because TWAW, and TMAM aren’t they? So is pansexual just if you fancy the non-binaries? It’s all very inconsistent.

beenandgoneandbackagain · 15/02/2019 12:57

So metaplasia is there a special word for a female who is attracted to male especially gendr non confornant males ?

Are we talking David Bowie or an older Pete Burns???

BigGoat · 15/02/2019 12:54

Beat me to it, Rogue :-)

BigGoat · 15/02/2019 12:53

I'm a pansexual, I like to fuck pots.

MIdgebabe · 15/02/2019 12:30

So metaplasia is there a special word for a female who is attracted to male especially gendr non confornant males ?

Rogueaccountant · 15/02/2019 12:30

Is it a case of the pansexual calling the kettlesexual black?

Qcng · 15/02/2019 12:18

It's their mantra.
Transwomen Are Women Transwomen Are Women Transwomen

Metaplasia · 15/02/2019 12:14

What's TWAW?

Qcng · 15/02/2019 12:13

They don't think TWAW or they would just define themselves as bisexual wouldn't they?
No because they're posturing how they are also inclusive of non-binary people, including non-binary transwomen and people who identify as furry, and TWAW, TWAW, end of.

FloralBuntingIsObnoxious · 15/02/2019 12:04

That's not a new argument from them, though. It's the heart of Riley Dennis's 'examine your preferences' videos.

They are always careful to say "You don't have to sleep with anyone you don't want to." because they know full well that shit wouldn't fly except in the most bonkers corners of activist Twitter.

But they always add quickly that they think that despite respecting your boundaries, you should think very carefully about your motivation for rejecting trans person. The only reason for you to do that is so that you can be guided into deciding that theoretically, you'd be ok with sex with a trans person, which is obviously the start of a negotiation, and at the very least is solely for the purpose of using you for the validation and ego of trans people.

PRoseLegend · 15/02/2019 11:59

@butteryellow
It's weird this need to label and describe perfectly normal behaviour as a distinct "sexuality".
I agree with you, i thought most people needed to have some kind of positive relationship or attachment to someone before they share intimate relations.
It's backwards, this tinder culture, where people shag at the swipe of a thumb but don't even trust their partners with their phones.

ReflectentMonatomism · 15/02/2019 11:56

So apparently, the new TRA argument is that the following conversation:

A: Do you want to go to bed with me?

B: No, I don't, thank you.

Is actually a starting point for negotiation, and if B is unable to articulate a clear argument then their refusal is invalid. It's removing "no means no" and replacing it with "no means maybe, and you don't get to set the terms for the discussion".

Bebstar123 · 15/02/2019 11:45

Bebstar those are preferences. There are only three sexual orientations.
Hetrosexual - attracted only to the opposite sex
Homosexual (gay/lesbian) - attracted only to the same sex
Bisexual - attracted to both same and opposite sex.

I know. I have said that consistently throughout this thread.

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HappyPunky · 15/02/2019 11:37

Pansexual is specifically about genders.

They don't think TWAW or they would just define themselves as bisexual wouldn't they?

oldwhyno · 15/02/2019 11:36

Anyone Trysexual? (try anything once Grin)

Weezol · 15/02/2019 11:32

In the early 90's, my mate decided to come out as Bi to his mum (he - youngest child of five, his mum an experienced mental health nurse, seen a lot of life, been on the frontline of protests against S28).

"Mum, it's important that you know that I'm Bisexual. That means..."

"It means you're bloody greedy our Fred. Get on with your tea."

butteryellow · 15/02/2019 11:28

pretty sure pansexual is just woke bisexual, with a bit of judgement of bisexuals thrown in.

Demisexual is what I would like to call normal - it means you have to fancy someone/be in a relationship before you'd sleep with them. Again, an attempt to normalise the idea that you should open your legs to anyone that asks.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 15/02/2019 11:20

Someone on AIBU the other week characterised themselves as demisexual. I still have no idea. Hmm

IDoN0tCare · 15/02/2019 11:13

They’re fucking egosexuals. All about the me me me. 🙄

feelingverylazytoday · 15/02/2019 11:12

Bebstar those are preferences. There are only three sexual orientations.
Hetrosexual - attracted only to the opposite sex
Homosexual (gay/lesbian) - attracted only to the same sex
Bisexual - attracted to both same and opposite sex.
People can have perfectly valid preferences within their orientation, eg the majority of gay men are not attracted to males who present as females. Some bisexual people prefer very feminine women and very masculine men while others prefer androgenous men and women. Etc etc. Sexual orientation refers to biological status ie sex, not gender presentation.

Qcng · 15/02/2019 11:11

From what I gather, according to gender ideology, the term bisexual is literal violence transphobic because it limits humans to only two.

It is part of dangerous cis-normative "binary thinking" (which causes deaths of transpeople etc).
So unless you want to be labelled a bigoted transphobe, you're supposed to say "pansexual" as it means that you accept all the men, women, non-binary and quarter-phase genders that there are, that really there are, and you aren't claiming there are only two sexes to shag.

Metaplasia · 15/02/2019 11:10

Bebstar123 exactly! Take Rain Dove for instance, I think she's (he's?) attractive but don't particularly fancy her, but I can't help but think she'd be a brilliant fuck 😂

Bebstar123 · 15/02/2019 11:05

Metaplasia "We all break our own rules"

Ha, don't we just. Good thing too, without that we probably wouldn't get that oh so wrong, but oh so right phenomena that is the 'hate fuck' or the lesser known, out of one conventional attraction zone 'weird fuck'.

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Lemoncakestrudel · 15/02/2019 11:01

Hmm... ancient Greek myths about naughty Gods, anyone? Or is it just a new level of speshul that wasn’t invented thousands of years ago?

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