And then they came for the heterosexual men

What they don't seem to realise is that when these men can't come up with reasons not to sleep with them, it's not because they can't think of anything, it's because they're being polite.

Just what I was thinking. Also they were being extremely kind and tolerant. Faced with that level of coercion ghosting would be my most polite response. But probably not until after I'd been brutally honest.

"I feel butthurt-emotionally, unfortunately not physically"

Eww

Desire is not enforceable, nor can it conform to our politics.

The author knows what the situation is. And is having trouble accepting it.

Well you can strike me off the list of "chanters" for a start, and I suspect plenty of other folks as well.
Most ordinary folk aren't even aware that this is happening.

Well yes, I'm not chanting it either. Nor is anyone really from this forum. But the silencing tactics have been largely successful amongst those who are in important policy-making or influential positions in our society (politicians, police, teachers, doctors). The point I'm making is that we know most of them don't actually believe in any of it, but they've been intimidated into implementing self-id/affirmation.

"They're now discovering that they can make our society obediently chant TWAW"

Well you can strike me off the list of "chanters" for a start, and I suspect plenty of other folks as well.
Most ordinary folk aren't even aware that this is happening.

Sadly, this is where trans people are finding themselves the victims of their own pressure campaign. They're now discovering that they can make our society obediently chant TWAW, but they just can't force it to actually believe it.

Having said that, I genuinely hope the author of this article finds happiness with someone.

What they don't seem to realise is that when these men can't come up with reasons not to sleep with them, it's not because they can't think of anything, it's because they're being polite.

And this happens to natal girls who ask their het male friends why they don’t fancy them, too. God, I’m glad I’m not 20 anymore...

Apparently that's not what they mean but if you're a feminine man who's denying they are a feminine man, I'm not surprised if they also deny they are attracted to men.

Mostly the usual sense of entitlement mixed with glimpses of rationality. What they don't seem to realise is that when these men can't come up with reasons not to sleep with them, it's not because they can't think of anything, it's because they're being polite.

Also, this:

"Brains can understand that trans women are women–but a boner only knows the five senses. If I was a Good Feminist, after all, I would be fucking other trans women by now."

First sentence - well, no, the brain understands that trans women are men, just as the sexual instinct does. Second sentence - maybe the writer should think about having sex with trans men? That would be more logical.

Thanks GoGo and Datum. That is interesting.

To be clear, whatever the indecipherable mechanics of male lust may be, it’s not that boys as a category won’t fuck me. (Grindr begs to differ.) Rather, it’s that I, along with many other trans girls, are quick to label guys who openly and eagerly desire us as “chasers,” a pejorative used for suitors who see trans women as a part-time kink or a full-time game. So, I quickly write off these sexual solicitors. Instead, I thirst for the boys who have only ever chased cis girls. It’s these guys who won’t fuck me.

That does seem like a bit of a losing proposition, doesn’t it? Rejecting men who specifically fancy you and only going for the ones who don’t.

Sexual not sexism! Although....

There is some evidence to suggest that some transwomen, having only slept with women, start sleeping with men.

The theory is that having sex 'as a woman' becomes an overwhelming sexism desire, so the male partner is just a prop. Someone fulfilling a role. Whether that constitutes a change in orientation or not who knows. But that's what the article is referring to.

*Sessi

Anyone else thinking that with really good psychiatric help, Sessa might, after a few years, have lived happily and successfully as a gay man? Transitioning has probably made Sessa’s chances of a happy relationship much more limited. I don’t know whether transition works well enough to be truly justified as a treatment for intractable GD, but it should never be a first line treatment in young people.

Its written in such a pornish way it makes me recoil and I'm no prude. Heterosexual Men don't want the author because they are not into male genitalia. As usual though only trans feelings matter not anyone else's.

what did that actually mean?

I feel like I’m failing at the game of heterosexuality–when actually, heterosexuality is failing me

I have met loads of men in my life who categorically did not want to fuck me

it never occurred to me that the whole of heterosexuality was wrong

interesting take from Sessi. Also, this person should come with a health warning for their room mates. Good heavens

This is the bit I was referring to:
Simply, some say desire is a predetermined variable, while others find it to be something in which we are inculcated. But we also know that desire is flexible: for example, trans girls’ (and more broadly, trans people’s) sexual attractions often change after starting transition.

Omg this doesn’t read as if they are just talking about terminology post transition. I suspect some of these men are sexually attracted to other men pre transition but suppress it until they are trans women and then label it at ‘heterosexual’ sex. I would be surprised to find that a gay man would suddenly find themselves attracted to a biological woman post transition.

My friends were implying that heterosexuality is male attraction to women

ummmm

well it is (plus female attraction to men of course)

No there is a bit of this actually. There are some straight men who have sex with men after transitioning.

On objective measures their orientation dosent change though (ie those test where they watch different sorts of porn and scientists test arousal levels) they are just more attracted to themselves and to the idea of themselves having sex as a woman than they are to anyone else male or female.

It's all a big validation game.

Qcng sorry I should have made it clear that this is not my opinion but a quote from the article in the OP.

Incidentally is it true that lots of trans people find their sexual orientation changes after transitioning? If that is so it explains why they think it should be so easy for others to do the same on being re-educated to wokeness

In my somewhat extensive experience, what they mean by that is that previously straight men become gay women, and gay men become straight women.

Incidentally is it true that lots of trans people find their sexual orientation changes after transitioning
No, where'd you get that idea from?
It changes in the sense that a straight man (man attracted to women) becomes a "lesbian" (Transwoman attracted to women, which imo is not actually a lesbian at all) or a lesbian women transitions to become a straight transman (or repressed lesbian). People's sexuality is fixed.

Kalinka I also wondered why trans men were excluded from her dating pool. If TWAW then TMAM and should be equally desirable, surely! Or doesn’t it matter if these poor rejected trans men would be feeling ‘butt hurt’ too.

Incidentally is it true that lots of trans people find their sexual orientation changes after transitioning? If that is so it explains why they think it should be so easy for others to do the same on being re-educated to wokeness.

Oh, the entitlement!

Why doesn’t the author seek a trans man?