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GRA and Labour Party

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Cismyfatarse1 · 14/02/2019 15:41

Help! I am meeting Labour next week to talk about the GRA. I have some excellent stuff but I wondered if people might be able to add anything specific to the Labour Party.

I have L Madigan. The AWS party being sued. I also have the Fawcett Society and the idea that women's equality would be advanced by a Parliament of 50% men and 50% transwomen.

If anyone has anything else I can add to my meeting I would be very grateful. I have already had a huge amount of help but a bit more would be very handy,

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ShouldBeCookingDinner · 15/02/2019 15:33

Self-ID is not law. Only with a GRC is a personally legally regarded as the opposite sex. They should not be allowing self-ID within the Party.

Women's rights are sex based, if you replace sex with gender, you eradicate women's rights. There is no evidence that women no longer require sex based rights.

Training provided by gender lobbyists is not compliant with the law or accepted science.

The role of women's officer has been granted to some people who have shown themselves to be unsuitable for the role, even before election.

Cismyfatarse1 · 14/02/2019 22:31

Thanks very much indeed. I will do my best.

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StuntNun · 14/02/2019 18:35

Wasn't Corbyn talking about amending the Equality Act a couple of months ago?

ErrolTheDragon · 14/02/2019 17:53
  • Corbyn says "transwomen are women" just ask them if they really believe it, if they do ask them what that actually means*

Yup.
What do you mean by "women" (without circularity or leaving undefined. That's useless for legislation)
What do you mean by 'transwomen'? (They may go with anything from fully transitioned TS to 'anyone who says they are' ...)

And having done that, can they then say what they mean by 'are'.

Freespeecher · 14/02/2019 17:37

Might I suggest the Chesterton's Fence approach - if Labour are considering removing single-sex prisons, changing rooms and sleeping arrangements for Girl Guides then first they need to state why they were necessary in the first place (generally I think safeguarding is a key part of the argument and this helps point it out).

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Chesterton%27s_fence

Bowlofbabelfish · 14/02/2019 16:25

I’d love to have this meeting go in a way that you outline your concerns and they listen.

But if it doesn’t: Ask them if they believe people can change sex.

And when they start waffling about gender, say ‘no - sex. Can humans change sex?’

Then when they say no, ask why we have any single sex provision at all.

Then remind them that as humans can’t change sex, what they plan on doing (allowing self ID) will make all provision mixed sex. Ask them how they think the electorate will react to that.

Remind them that enshrining gender ID in law and allowing self ID are totally incompatible with keeping sex as a protected characteristic. So what they want will remove all sex based protections. All of them. How will the electorate respond to that?

Follow up with an email with all your concerns and note that in the event of a serious case review they were bloody well told.

userschmoozer · 14/02/2019 15:59

Oh well done! Star
Sex is a protected characteristic.
Do the Labour Party believe that women have won all the relevant battles and are no longer discriminated against on the grounds of sex?

Today, BPAS are posting on Twitter about the BBC. Because apparently abortion is not a healthcare issue, its a moral issue.

The #BBC says it will not include abortion information on its Action Line website - a site that provides signposting for viewers seeking support on issues covered in their programmes - because it's too "contentious".
twitter.com/bpas1968/status/1095991266150633472

In direct contrast;
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/5zvRZW3yRHjqczdwd0gv3S0/information-and-support-gender-identity

zanahoria · 14/02/2019 15:58

Corbyn says "transwomen are women"

just ask them if they really believe it, if they do ask them what that actually means