GRA and Labour Party

Its important to keep as separate as possible the Safeguarding of children, women's rights, fair process etc.

The lobbying has being cross-party and whilst the Conservatives may seek to gain political capital as they are not completely signed up to self-id Maria Miller played a key role in silencing women's concerns and not properly scrutinising translobbyists.

I wouldn't try to go through a whole list of things - what about this, and this, and this, and this, and this? It actually becomes easier to sidestep difficult questions when there are lots of them

And it depends who you are actually meeting - asking your local councillor whether JC actually met women's groups as promised is somewhat unfair, as why should they know? If you're meeting his special advisor, then absolutely press it home

Your best bet (ie likely to lead to a productive conversation where they understand your concerns sufficiently to be able to feed them back in the party machine) is to start with the basics on sex segregation and sex-based protections. If they don't agree that we allow separate services, facilities and competitions for men and women for reasons of safety, privacy, dignity and fairness, then you are on a hiding to nothing. If they do agree, then the next step is ask them in what way TWAW (without using a circular definition). And take small steps forwards from there.

Don't expect them to comment on individuals (both because it's not really on, unless you are meeting very very senior party officials, but also because of the current legal case that JJ is bringing)

apologies, SW full quote above includes the comment, "I hope that clarifies matters"

In October after the Government's consultation on GRA reform closed on a thread condemning Stephen Whittle's use of predicted suicide, he joined and commented confidently:

"In the end we will pull ourselves together and continue the campaigning – as we have always done. We know we have Labour behind this one, so will simply do our best to get them elected. As I tell the community “we have always lost more battles than we have won, but we only ever need to win the big one”.

I hope that clarifies matters.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3397010-Guardian-article-on-MPs-concern-with-GRA?msgid=81891984#81891984

October 2018 at Pink News party, Jeremy Corbyn apparently confirmed Whittle's belief:
'PinkNews Awards 2018: Jeremy Corbyn vows support for transgender reforms'
by Nick Duffy
(extract)
"Speaking about transgender rights, he said: “We must speak up for the trans community, who today face shocking attacks in the media—just as lesbian and gay people did in the 1980s—as well as now online, which can be a wonderful place but also a horrendous place where attacks take place.

“Labour supports reform of the Gender Recognition Act and Equality Act to allow for self-declaration. The deadline for Government’s consultation is on Friday.

“Trans people must be able to live full, healthy, and happy lives—being the person they want to be. Labour will stand up for their right to do so.”
www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/10/17/jeremy-corbyn-pinknews-awards-2018/

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3398127-Stephen-Whittle-influential-TRA-asserts-We-know-we-have-Labour-behind-this-one-so-will-simply-do-our-best-to-get-them-elected-Corbyn-seems-to-confirm-this-at-Pink-News

At a similar time, the Labour Party promoted Stonewall's guidance for the GRA:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3397280-Labour-party-promoting-Stonewall

threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3488261-The-Financial-Juggernaut-that-is-Stonewall

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3390910-Can-we-talk-about-Pink-News-Collecting-examples-of-their-propaganda

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3375587-Press-for-Change

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3397127-Stephen-Whittle-Press-for-Change-irresponsible-use-of-likely-suicides-follows-Helen-Belchers-Trans-Media-Watch

When it comes to voting never forget that The Suffragettes & Suffragists won for you the right to spoil your ballot paper.

I shall spoil mine with a small sticker that says:

Women
noun
adult human female

They're banking on historic labour voters continuing to vote regardless, simply because we don't like the alternatives

Surely no one can be that stupid?

Risky tactic....
I have always voted labour but am increasingly thinking I wouldn't be able to vote in the next election.

They're banking on historic labour voters continuing to vote regardless, simply because we don't like the alternatives

I reckon once the wider public see what's been going on with blurring the distinction between sex and gender, you will not see wider acceptance of this philosophy, you will see lost votes.

Isn't Telford where this happened:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britains-worst-ever-child-grooming-12165527

At minimum I would hope that a Labour Party Womens Officer is trusted by, and seen as approachable by, working class women in the town. Surely that is the point of a CLP officer holder.

Not gra related but indicative of their problem with women

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/28/labour-party-problem-women-abuse-harassment

Dawn Butler's performance at the trans conference

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3398737-We-re-Still-Here-Conference-8th-September-A-report-from-the-inside

Oops, here are more screenshots

Remember this?

More here

"“Labour supports reform of the Gender Recognition Act and Equality Act to allow for self-declaration."

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/10/18/jeremy-corbyn-trans-rights-northern-ireland/

Erol agree with you. If there were any women’s groups that he met with at all..

he said he would meet with Linda Bellos specifically when that was proposed in an interview.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3152137-Andrew-Marr-asking-gov-minister-So-is-a-trans-woman-a-woman

Did that ever happen?

Corbyn supports self-id twitter.com/PinkNews/status/1052656246413807616?s=19

And another. This is the poster in Manchester saying "trans kids burn TERFs", and this is a Sheffield Labour Councillor defending it

Labour Councillor yesterday

I think Corbyn said he would meet with women’s groups in 2018- did this happen? What was the upshot?

I'd be wanting to know which 'women's groups'.

Loving Chestertons fence. Brilliant approach.

Get them to say why normal safeguarding should not be applied to children, why normal medical ethics on not experimenting on children should be abandoned, why women’s single sex spaces, educational opportunities, toilets, awards etc are not needed now.

Well done for securing this meeting

I would like to know how they think they are going to attract and retain female floating votes, female Labour voters, female party activists, female party organisers and female party staff and female councillors and female MPs, and one day a female Labour Prime Minister, when they treat women as such lesser beings and ignore their concerns.

Do they know that for every letter sent by a motivated person to an MP etc or questions raised at a meeting there will be x amount of other people thinking the exact same thing? They can’t just ignore this.

I think Corbyn said he would meet with women’s groups in 2018- did this happen? What was the upshot?

I want to know why stonewall has been given free reign to enter schools and labour meetings to “educate” & “demand” society accept something that isn’t a legal requirement. And speaking of legal why are children under 18 being prescribed puberty blockers with all the risks (and potential that they may be misdiagnosed as having dysphoria) and companies being given money by the government to provide breast binders, reminiscent of feet binding in China. Why are schools told that they should not inform parents of a child’s “secret” that their child is identifying as the opposite sex at school? This is a horrific betrayal for parents and a total disregard for safeguarding a child considering they may get bad/incorrect advice about transitioning esp as many children who self id appear to fall into the autistic/aspergers spectrum?
I’d also like to ask why labour have stonewall on their headed notepaper?
And why they are allowing men who only identify as women to fill women’s roles?

50% men + 50% trans women = 100% men.