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On the Hijab and human faces.

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FloralBuntingIsObnoxious · 14/02/2019 12:39

Way back when I wore headcoverings myself as a Christian woman, I took a keen interest in what was taught about the Hijab, and what women themselves had to say about it.

I recall being particularly impressed by something I saw from a number of women about it being 'liberating' because it creates a focus on the face, on the woman as a human, rather than a sex object.

I took that at face value for some time as a good thought, but over time, I've begun to feel very uneasy about it.

For a start, there is an implicit understanding that a woman who is not covering her hair is a sex object, not a human. It all leads in to this notion that if a woman does not cover herself then she is not as worthy of respect as those women who do.

Then there is the understandable desire to be seen as a human, rather than simply subject to the male gaze. I feel it myself when I'm not wearing make up and just want to get on with my day - a sort of wish to be invisible to leering glances.

But why is there this strange notion that only our faces are 'human'? My whole body is part of what makes me human, the same as a man. How come a Muslim man is able to walk around with hair uncovered and still be seen as a human, but a woman does not have that ability unless we can only see her face? This 'disembodying' is so harmful.

Anyway, just some rolled around thoughts I had this morning while reading some things about the objections to hijab. I'd be interested in a discussion about it.

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Dimsumlosesum · 15/02/2019 07:31

Not every Muslim girl child wears a headscarf.

hipsterfun · 15/02/2019 07:28

Then there is the understandable desire to be seen as a human, rather than simply subject to the male gaze. I feel it myself when I'm not wearing make up and just want to get on with my day - a sort of wish to be invisible to leering glances.

Does that work in practice? I’m pretty much invisible now (yay!) but I never wore make-up as a young woman and it didn’t seem to make any difference, tbh.

RussellSprout · 15/02/2019 03:22

It's children wearing a head covering I really disagree with. So, men are lusting after little kids are they?

Lemoncakestrudel · 15/02/2019 01:41

Its a difficult one. How do you encourage women to stop wearing them? It does seem to have become a lot more common in recent years. I think more integration and less hatred would help.There’s nothing like covering yourself and trying to disappear.

Way back in the distant mists of time all the women here had to cover their heads or else they were shameless hussies.

WeRiseUp · 14/02/2019 14:06

Yes it it totally tied in to the male gaze, the sexualisation and objectification of women and the subjugation of women by men.

Women might kid themselves that a lot of things are empowering from wearing a veil to wearing make up and heels, but the way it is always read and received by males (the dominant group) is that it is women demonstrating obedience and lower social status. That's why some men really freak out if a women doesn't conform- it's insubordination.

Oxytocindeficient · 14/02/2019 12:48

Totally agree with your thoughts. It only applies to women, therefore it’s pretty straight forward sexism. Real freedom would be wearing whatever the hell you want to and not ever being subject to sexual objectification or harassment because of it.

Haworthia · 14/02/2019 12:46

I agree with you. You can dress it up as empowering, or “you can have a bad hair day, haha!” but when only women are compelled to cover, it can’t be empowering. When women are told to cover to protect themselves from the lustful male gaze, it isn’t empowering.

I’ll see Muslim families out shopping in London during the summer, and the husband is wearing jogging bottoms and a t shirt (ditto sons), the wife wearing an abaya, hijab and veil, and the girls covered from neck to wrist to ankle. It’s impossible not to see the oppression and the double standards.