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This debate needs...violence, says Lib Dem candidate

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Anlaf · 13/02/2019 08:49

So sarah brown (erstwhile Cambridge councillor, introducer of non-EA2010 compliant policy on "gender", and active member of the LGBT+ Lib dems) thinks of the debate with feminists who don't support trans women:

Violence worked for the suffragettes"
"When you have a mere philosophical disagreement then violence is not appropriate, however these people are, at a aminimum, trying to eradicate us from the public realm"
"The gloves are off"

Worth noting that sarah frequently says that "t**fs" want her and other transwomen dead and want to eliminate them from the public realm.

I find this genuinely chilling. All heat, no light.

twitter.com/Docstockk/status/1095596093772099584?s=19

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ToeToToe · 13/02/2019 23:29

Let's face it, they call misgendering literal violence.

Ereshkigal · 13/02/2019 23:10

Linda & Venice's case was thrown out - no case to answer.

I think they would say that on a technical level their wording is correct. Very disingenuous and manipulative. But then think of the specific people we're dealing with here, the known individuals.

ToeToToe · 13/02/2019 22:53

twitter.com/LGBTLD/status/1095708192737296384

LGBT LibDems tweeted that they have been asked for a comment by a journalist, and have given this statement:

Anti trans activists have recently been questioned by the police and appeared in court over threats of violence against transgender people. They have filmed themselves harassing human rights campaigners in the US. This is creating a climate of fear amongst trans people.

I'm not aware of anyone being questioned over threats of viol ence against trans people? Even Hayden hasn't said there were threats of violence. Harry the Owl, Margaret - no threats of violence. Linda & Venice's case was thrown out - no case to answer.

Ereshkigal · 13/02/2019 14:48

My thoughts to the exact word.

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 13/02/2019 12:20

You ain't no suffragette bruv.

Qcng · 13/02/2019 12:20

It's incredible that people get expelled from the party for saying "TWATW" but others remain, and indeed are revered while they blatantly advocate and incite violence against women.

RockyFlintstone · 13/02/2019 12:17

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Bowlofbabelfish · 13/02/2019 11:59

It’s language being weaponised.

Concern about an ideology is twisted into hatred of the individual. It’s like twisting ‘I have several problems with spaghetti monster theology’ into ‘kill all the pastafarians!’

It heightens the emotional tone
It positions the speaker as a wounded party
It allows the speaker to install fear in followers (they are going to kill us all! Dont engage with them! Listen only to me! Be fearful!’) once they are fearful they are easily controlled and isolated

Datun · 13/02/2019 11:56

That story catapulted this out of the ‘well all this metropolitan crap, nothing to do with me’ into a framing where someone just like the reader has been arrested for saying something the reader believes. That makes it personal.

As the 150 odd thousand shares of the Daily Mail article illustrates.

As newspapers realise that incredulity and out rage makes them a ton of money, this is just going to explode.

deydododatdodontdeydo · 13/02/2019 11:56

Wait. Who wants them dead exactly?
I'd imagine they get more physical threats from men than "terfs".

MagicMix · 13/02/2019 11:49

Are we trying to eradicate all men from the public realm just because we don't want them in female spaces? Having the legal status of a male human does not mean you have been eradicated or that you 'do not exist'.

So fucking disingenuous when women historically actually have been excluded from the public sphere and lack of female facilities like toilets has been a part of that.

NoseringGirl · 13/02/2019 11:48

How does Sarah Brown get away with any of these things?!
It's ridiculous, SB has said some truly vile things over the years with seemingly no repercussions from the party.

LizzieSiddal · 13/02/2019 11:32

Would it be worth reporting these tweets to the police?

Knicknackpaddyflak · 13/02/2019 11:09

Good grief. Another seriously unwell individual. Lib dems really are losing credibility by the moment by not getting a handle on this.

MillytantForceit · 13/02/2019 10:20

This is the best Militant Ooszlum Bird argument since the Stop The War Coalition called for a war against Israel.

theOtherPamAyres · 13/02/2019 10:18

It's very difficult to riot in short skirts and heels.

HumberElla · 13/02/2019 10:06

It’s so blatant. The pent up aggression, the wish to ‘hit first and hit hardest’, is clear. There will be others who are waiting for an excuse to act this out, and who are being given license to do so by this individual.

Floisme · 13/02/2019 10:03

Violence - what a strangely male solution!

And as maslin says, Sarah seems to have a very shaky grasp of suffragette history.

Carowiththegoodhair · 13/02/2019 09:58

This is very frightening for those of us doxed and threatened.

maslinpan · 13/02/2019 09:43

The violence used by the suffragette movement was not against people, but shop windows, the painting in the National Gallery, pillar boxes etc. Arguably it was down to the role of women doing war work that finally achieved suffrage - and initially not for all women either. Sarah needs to brush up on the basics before trying to co-opt women's history for dubious means

PlumPorter · 13/02/2019 09:40

Women - well known for 'shanking' men

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 13/02/2019 09:33

Why would anyone do this? And why isn’t Twitter interested in what seems to be obvious incitement?

Above the law.

HumberElla · 13/02/2019 09:31

That’s just awful. This is openly advocating for preemptive violent attacks on anyone who disagrees.

Why would anyone do this? And why isn’t Twitter interested in what seems to be obvious incitement?

NeurotrashWarrior · 13/02/2019 09:15

This is why transsexuals are increasingly distancing them selves from these idiots.

Horsewithnoma · 13/02/2019 09:13

It's a straw trans woman argument?

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