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The Breast Book

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MilkSpill · 13/02/2019 04:31

My oldest daughter is heading towards puberty so I'm stocking up on resources to discuss it with her. I'd heard great things about the new book by Emma Pickett called 'The Breast Book' and it arrived today. I was having a flick through and lots of positives - normalising breastfeeding, discussion of sexualised media, and then hit this.

EIGHT pages dedicated to advocating for elective mastectomy.

Totally glossing over the risks, no discussion of sexuality, just basically 'someone said Jack was a girl when he was born' and off into a story of how Jack did a lot of thinking and then had his breasts cut off. Presented positively and affirmingly and in child-appropriate language.

How am I supposed to use this resource with my daughter? I can't just cut 8 pages out of the book. I want my money back.

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RiverTam · 13/02/2019 14:11

I think you can review it on their site
www.pinterandmartin.com/the-breast-book

dunnowhatillcallmyself · 13/02/2019 14:10

I've never come across them.

This thread has just been posted and the synopsis is extremely relevant in this case:

Pique Resilience Project - young detransitioned women sharing their personal stories www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3507109-Pique-Resilience-Project-young-detransitioned-women-sharing-their-personal-stories

Melroses · 13/02/2019 14:08

It is out of place in a puberty guide on breasts for children who are on the verge of puberty.

It would be better in a book exploring self harm and anorexia and other problems teenagers have. Do we have these for 10/11 year olds?

dunnowhatillcallmyself · 13/02/2019 13:48

I hope the publisher is still reading.

dunnowhatillcallmyself · 13/02/2019 13:48

Stella O'Malley on the issue of rushing into gender conformation surgery.

Stella O'Malley was the psychologist who did Trans Kids: it's time to talk on channel 4.

Trousering · 13/02/2019 13:28

Boys can be born in girls bodies. Sorry, this is so crazy.

Trousering · 13/02/2019 13:26

The section on slicing off breasts does present gender identity as a fact unquestioningly at the begining, so the authur is promoting fully the idea that girls can be born in boys bodies and is reproducing it here as factual.

How many stupid adults are there? I am genuinely amazed at how many there are and how many want kids to treat this barbarism as normal.

RiverTam · 13/02/2019 13:24

it'll have been printed already, they would have to pulp the stock. Which I think they should.

I am utterly shocked that a primary school teacher thinks this is fine. What the fuck has she been telling the kids at her school? I tell you for nothing, any teacher talks this crap at DD and I will rain hellfire and brimstone down on them.

dunnowhatillcallmyself · 13/02/2019 13:23

www.transgendertrend.com/social-transition-and-chest-binding/

dunnowhatillcallmyself · 13/02/2019 13:21

I think a few tweets have been deleted.

I'm linking transgender trend's article on breast binding here hoping the publisher will see it.

There's a massive duty of care in this. No official public bodies seem to be tackling any of this. SRE books cannot endorse self harm practices.

A book like this is very necessary given the lack of coverage on breastfeeding etc by SRE (recently mentioned on woman's hour) and perhaps it could go some way to helping young people deal with the body changes they go through and possibly help them to avoid thinking it's gender dysphoria and going down the rabbit holes on YouTube there. But it needs extremely careful thought.

www.transgendertrend.com/breast-binders-in-uk-schools/

Iused2BanOptimist · 13/02/2019 13:17

So if it's not due to be published until mid March I suggest we all write to the publishers and demand these pages are removed before it goes on sale.

MrsJamin · 13/02/2019 13:14

This is utterly shocking!!! Just dreadful. Time to wade in on amazon reviews. That will speak massively.

MagicMix · 13/02/2019 13:10

If it isn't published, how did OP buy a copy and receive it already?

RiverTam · 13/02/2019 13:07

it's on a par with self harm images om Instagram, as far as I'm concerned.

I hope you're still reading, Pincher & Martin.

hackmum · 13/02/2019 12:58

It's very depressing to receive a "sorry you were disappointed" email rather than one that acknowledges your concerns that the content is dangerous. Pinter and Martin presumably wouldn't publish a book that advocated for eating disorders, self-harm or suicide, so why are they publishing a book that advocates for a double mastectomy in a perfectly healthy young woman?

RiverTam · 13/02/2019 12:49

can the publisher come onto the thread and explain why the hell they thought this content was in any way, shape or form appropriate?

AnyaMumsnet · 13/02/2019 12:48

Hi there all,

The publisher has been in touch and asked us to remove the photographs of the several pages of content of this book, as it isn't published till mid March.

dunnowhatillcallmyself · 13/02/2019 12:46

She's replied here though it's muddled

twitter.com/Elfie41767774/status/1095626988369469441

RiverTam · 13/02/2019 12:40

it's a pinned tweet on her Twitter, so could those on Twitter go and challenge her about it?

twitter.com/makesmilk/status/1048946085228683265

Trousering · 13/02/2019 12:34

Hes a woke Wagner.

Trousering · 13/02/2019 12:34

Does nobody else think picking this apart thoughtfully as part of reading the book together could be a countermeasure?

No, I think the right approach is to end this brutality in the first place.

What are we saying to kids? Some children want parts of ther body chopped off, because they believe in myths about these body parts stopping them living their lives. The NHS will do this for them if they really cry a lot and threaten to kill theirselves.
Countermeasure: But really it's not necessay as yanno, you can do man stuff with tits.

Fucking hell.

thatdamnwoman · 13/02/2019 12:30

Just had a response from Martin Wagner at the publisher:

I am so sorry that you are disappointed in the extract you read, and thank you for sharing your thoughts - it is always useful to receive feedback on our books.

Standard brush-off there and probably what I'd do in the circumstances. Would like to be a fly on the wall in his office this afternoon.

thatdamnwoman · 13/02/2019 12:12

Just a quick response to Blue. I don't understand why you think that people not replying to you is blanking you. None of us is here to validate each other. I'm relatively new to this board. It moves quickly and it's never occurred to me that I wasn't getting a response because I was new. I assume that if there's no response to anything I write it's because my position or thoughts weren't clear or relevant or the conversation had moved on elsewhere. It's not all about you!

dunnowhatillcallmyself · 13/02/2019 12:05

Please look at the twitter thread on this.

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