The Breast Book

Thanks for the link, this is the fb film of the discussion with the author.

I will not be buying this book for my daughter, 11 pages advocating breast binding & double mastectomy. The author is also a paid breast feeding consultant, this book is horrific for impressionable young girls. For those of you thinking about buying the book, it might be worth buying it from Amazon & then returning it.

Amazon sometimes withdraws products that have high levels of returns and/or negative reviews.

I think the breast feeding and birth world both have a strong theme of affirmation that is in the framework of their training.

This seems to interact with how welcoming and willing they are to ‘affirm everyone’s feelings’ and subduing any criticality both in themselves and in the group when some pretty extreme and damaging ideas come out in these scenarios.

And that screen shot is tragic.

Though the author of this book emphasises it was a story of an adult; in reality her target audience are able to get access to irreversible hormones and blockers if they push hard enough.

As the girls in the pique Resilience Project describe.

There is an extreme culture of affirmation.

Really highlights just how dangerous McKinnon et al are in their calls to turn away from family to the trans community.

Yes absolutely.

It's worth watching the rest as she describes the grooming she underwent to lead her to believe she needed to transition.

The irony is that in the breast book the transman says they wish they could have been accepted as a masculine female.

Have you seen this thread too?

Pique Resilience Project - young detransitioned women sharing their personal stories www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3507109-Pique-Resilience-Project-young-detransitioned-women-sharing-their-personal-stories

Not great part, breast part

I'm delighted Maureen M agrees.

I do fully respect the author for all she does for breastfeeding.

However this point I fully disagree with her on.

Within this interview, a detransitioned women describes some very pertinent points re dysphoria about her developing breasts. Whilst the adult described in the book is free to do what they wish with their body, this is not an area for teens to read inside a body positive book.

I don't have the words to describe why; watch the film and you understand why. The great part is around 25 mins but the whole film is needed for context. The way this woman was accessed by abusers through the trans community is described in eloquent detail.

She also describes how she discovered gender critical thought, and how it eventually helped her realise the fallacy and harm of the whole movement.

I very much hope the publisher - who I otherwise respect too - watches to understand why this was not appropriate.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=QAMar22S0ck&feature=youtu.be

Not sure if it is the done thing to link to discussions on FB here. But if it is, here is a long discussion regarding the book and some of the points were raised by protesters in the video too.

www.facebook.com/maureenkminchin/posts/1441120639364235?comment_id=1442342699242029&reply_comment_id=1443034355839530&notif_id=1552775965151481&notif_t=feed_comment_reply

Posie said its down for a bit of editing. I'm guessing that would be hiding the glimpses of a few children in the audience. Her and that other woman (a mumsnetter I think?) spoke really well.

Fortunately Joss Prior has put it on Joss’s twitter with a handy critique if you want to watch

It's disappeared. Possibly privacy / safeguarding? There were some teens there though I couldn't really see them on the film.

Posie’s Facebook video link doesn’t seem to be working? Does anyone know what’s happened to it?

Watching Posie's Facebook live, when Joani Walsh was challenging Emma Pickett she said that she had just let Jack tell the story of Jack's "journey", and that Jack saying biological sex was a social construct was just a commentary on society. But in the screenshot at the beginning of this thread she uses trans ideology concepts like sex being assigned at birth based on genitals.

So that's a bit disingenuous.

Bump

Listening to the authors reasonings for including the material makes me realise there does need to be clarification of what gender stereotypes are for children and why it's important to challenge them (and probably for adults), what 'trans' is and isn't (but isn't changing sex as this is impossible) and the basic difference between sex and gender, but definitely not in this book.

Posie and others (sweary) are doing a live chat with the author now:

https://www.facebook.com/theposieparker/videos/2436867369766562?sfns=mo

Excellent questions posed to the author. Thank you.

Worth adding here. Granted not about breasts but these children and young girls are not being given the full picture about becoming "transmen."

www.transgendertrend.com/severe-pain-orgasm-effect-testosterone-female-body/

Thanks for the info Milkspill - I'm glad there are positive breastfeeding stories but yes, mixed messages aren't doing anyone any favours but particularly not pubescent girls.

Regarding 'chestfeeding'

Totally glossing over how difficult that is and how different it is to breastfeeding.

This seems to be a common theme for trans issues and is why there will be lawsuits galore in the future in my opinion. Kids are being fed the lie that anything is possible, but the fact is that normal breastfeeding is hard enough in the early days and normal pumping even harder in my experience. Plus there isn't enough donor milk even for women with actual illnesses who can't breastfeed themselves. Where's this mythical donor milk coming from and why should women go through the effort required to donate to women who willingly cut off their own breasts? It's a fantasy, just not possible, why are they lying and pretending it is?

Fantastic post, FeministCat

I'm so disappointed, the author came across as so switched on in her recent interview on woman's hour.

Completely dispiriting.

She doesn't quite get it.

@MilkSpill
I received an email last night saying 'of course it's not true' then a clarification this morning with a link to the statement about Jack's story.

www.pinterandmartin.com/the-breast-book-statement
Weird the cognitive dissonance involved in justifying this to themselves.