Transgender man becomes pregnant after IVF wants baby to be declared motherless on Birth certificate

Doesn’t a fertility clinic treating the person with a female body as is required in order to help said person beocme pregnant (with the provision of male donor sperm to that person) show that the GRC permits a legal fiction on their legal documents but (stating the obvious!) this also demonstrates very clearly that the effect of the GRC is that it is limited to the legal papers of the person who had the treatment.

The female body is not actually changed to a male body because of a GRC as the resulting baby demonstrates.

Any clinic should be in trouble if they try to give donor sperm to an actual male person because that would be fraud and wouldn’t get that male person a baby.

The clinic shouldn’t be in any trouble-

They went along with the legal fiction that was on the GRC (as they have to do legally) - fine.

I’d expect they were kind and sensitive to a patient and used the right pronouns that match the GRC and so on

-again, fine.

and at the same time the clinic treated a patient with a female body with the right fertility treatment for that female body.

• absolutely right.

The fact of a baby resulting from donor sperm shows very clearly that the clinic DID treat a woman. Which is completely in line with the law.

Does this judge think a GRC literally changes a person’s sex? Do we not know the difference any more between words on a piece of paper and physical reality?

You can’t have it both ways. If the person was a man, they’d have given her eggs and found a surrogate. She didn’t need either, so that means she is...

I’m definitely going to do something about it. It’s my duty as a woman and as a mother. If stuff like this is being changed then what’s next? Does midwife not mean ‘with woman’? How long before a whole profession is renamed to something else?

The NZ article about Scout has a fabulous paragraph about how other transgender men have been able to hide their pregnancies, but Scouts small frame led to people misgendering them.

What the actual fuck?!

So people saw a person with a very obvious baby bump, called them a woman, and that's classed as misgendering.

Also of note is the article in the mail in which the judge calls for a review of fertility clinics as they had artificially inseminated someone who is legally recognised as a man. UK law states artificial insemination can only be provided to a woman. Let's hope this at the very least leads that particular clinic to be shut down for breaking a very basic and obvious law, and stops other clinics from doing the same. The alternative is that the law is changed to allow men as well as women to be artificially inseminated, and that is just preposterous.

I was a midwife for twenty years, I am a mother to two daughters. I will not have our language erased. I find this so insulting to every woman everywhere who was ever pregnant or who ever hopes to be one day, to mothers, to my daughters. And to the babies and children who are denied the language of mother/child relationship. (Adoptive mothers and babies included obv.)

( Also just this morning I have been at a gap year presentation with my daughter, they talked about host families that volunteers might live with and the close relationships that developed with the host calling themselves mother and the guest daughter.
In a way the host parent is in loco parentis, the language demonstrates shared love, respect and responsibility that crosses barriers of nationality. Everyone understands the language wherever they come from. )
I digress.

It's intolerable.
Probably lucky I'm not a midwife now. Some clients might not like the cut of my jib.

OvaHere I agree, not only was I an optimistic sort of person in the past I also wasn't the sort of person who went for conspiracy theories.
I absolutely do now, especially with regard to this sort of thing. After all, someone, I can't remember who, admitted how they had been working hard behind the scenes to push the whole trans thing while the wider population was as asleep. I'm very concerned about the legal review re surrogacy but I suppose we have to wait and see what suggestions the review comes up with and then take action.

Thank you @Iused2BanOptimist I’ll definitely do that

Yes it’s him. An unlikely ally judging by his views on almost every other subject but I think I will email him and see what he says.

At the bottom you have the names of the HCP's who approved the document and the document review group whoever they are.
There should be something similar on your documents. Send your letter to each and every name on the document - hospital switchboard can probably confirm if they are current employees by the simple expedient of asking to be put through to them in which case you could give them an earful down the phone too and also a letter addressed to the Document review group and don't forget to send copies to every other hospital/trust bigwig you can think of.

I assume your MP is David TC Davies? Yes definitely get in touch, I think he would be very interested in this. You won't have to worry about getting the point across perfectly because he's already very familiar with the trans debate.

I’m in Monmouthshire. Funnily enough my local MP has made some headlines with his views on this subject so could be worth getting in touch. I’m not really good at putting what I want to say into words but willing to have a go.

@Iused2BanOptimist that would be great, thanks.

There's something really sinister about erasing women on hospital maternity notes.

Further to my last comment the very cynical, tin foil hat side of me thinks that this is also paving way for the new slavery surrogacy reforms. I would bet a huge amount of money that interested groups have been lobbying hard in the shadows.

Very convenient to already have an admin set up that recognises a biological father but no mother.

WTF halfblood

How fucking dare they remove mother yet still allow men to be biological father.

I would take some tippex and a pen to every mention of pregnant person and also put a complaint in.

Ha. "Biological Father"
Notwithstanding some pregnant people won't know for sure who it was that impregnated them!

I actually cannot believe that HalfBlood. The icing on the cake being that apparently it is ok to use the word "father".

HalfBlood
Are you in N Ireland /NHS? Or in Republic?
At my (nhs) hospital every last bit of paperwork has a small print code at the bottom which usually names the person/s who signed it off and the year. So it can be identified for reordering etc and whenever it is updated/rewritten. I'll see if I can find an example to show you when I get home. If you can identify the person who signed it off you can send them a strongly worded letter, copying all the relevant hospital/trust bigwigs - head of midwifery/lead obstetrician/ trust chief exec etc

I would cross it out and write mother on every single one of those forms - it's wildly offensive and I'm enraged.

@HalfBloodPrincess
Wow that has given me so much rage.
I'd cross it out and write mother!!

That’s great about PALS. It’s really shocking how quickly this misogyny in woke clothing is popping up everywhere in hospitals and schools.
Maternity services is the absolute last place that mothers should be erased

Yes I was going to say parent one will be the man obv

Like with the census there was a thread on here and it turned out that filling it out was "womens work" (admin) but that loads of women had automatically filled their DH in as "person 1"!

Parent 1, Parent 2

How long before the rampant misogyny leads to the father being named as Parent 1? And, as you can currently omit the father if you're unmarried, why mention Parent 2 at all?

@jellyslice I’ve been tempted to but think it needs more than a one woman protest. But been stumped as what to actually do. Will be contacting pals as suggested above.

I am not tying to offend or upset anyone who has adopted children or other similar situations
BUT we need to be able to say that pregnancy and birth are a pretty major thing, that newborns only really know their mother having been literally a part of her for months, that we don't really know if any person is really as good as the one who just gave birth to them, how much they mind being put somewhere else

That’s not offensive. The fourth trimester applies to babies as well as their mother

Or Woman.

That is appalling!

Are you going to cross each and every one out and replace it with Mother?