Transsexuals leaving the Stonewall umbrella

It's about time that they began to organise themselves.

In the absence/suppression of transexual voices, Maria Miller's Committee were led by the nose by Stephen Whittle, Stonewall and the likes of Jess Bradley.

Nevertheless it all seemed to be going so well until

• the Prime MInister announced that transgenderism didn't require much healthcare provision
• women started ring-fencing their personal spaces and services to exclude men, and sought to strengthen the Equality Act.

These two developments - the proposed removal of adequate health care provision and the clamour to exclude men from women's services and spaces - have been a direct threat to transexuals.

So now they are emerging into the light, to press for the status quo in the law and to retain their rights to health services and access to women's spaces.

Yes, it's uncomfortable for them - but then they have a lot to lose. There are conflicts with women's rights that still need to be resolved.

I'm afraid I am now jaded enough to hold fire on TS initiatives. I'll wait and see if this one actually turns out to properly respect women's rights to spaces and services away from males or not, or descends into infighting or not. We'll see.

Yeah, when the letter in the Times was published last year, within hours one or two of the signatories (not sure if they've signed this one) were here explaining where they actually stand, and in the end I didn't see any difference between their attitude and that of the TRAs.

That said, it's an excellent letter, and I think TS who don't celebrate transgenderism are better off distancing themselves from Stonewall.
I admire Leanne Mills and would certainly describe her as brave for doing what she has done in recent months. She is an important voice IMO.

Well-written, well-argued letter.

It will completely be ignored by The Powers That Be for just those reasons.

Dodo yes. About 2 years ago I would have thought that a very nasty attitude. But now I agree - hence my dismay as I cannot reconcile that with certain close friendships!

But I am willing to take on board the difference betwwen trans sexual and trans gender ... for the moment. Mainly because I am trying to reconcile my anger with TRA actions and the reality of my friendship group.

I imagine what they're saying is 'Allow us, the properly vetted males, into women-only places -- but keep the others out.'

Actually, I'm fairly happy with that, but I know plenty of women aren't.

Fairly. Not entirely happy with it. I still don't think anyone male is entitled to represent womanhood.

I'm afraid I am now jaded enough to hold fire on TS initiatives. I'll wait and see if this one actually turns out to properly respect women's rights to spaces and services away from males or not, or descends into infighting or not. We'll see.

It's worth reading more of Seven Hex's blog where she's also posted this letter.

www.facebook.com/100027985605819/posts/238762873733231?sfns=mo

That is one excellent letter. It says everything I have often tried to articulate but have never quite managed to put together.

• I have posted so many times about my lovely, lifelong tranny mate.
• The wonder of living as a young adult throught the gender bending 70/80s.
• My PeakTRA moment, when I stopped seeing transwomen as an aceptable face in a womans space
• My dismay at the hardening of my thoughts, my now near complete rejection of anything trans (which is hard given said tranny mate nd the recent wedding of my best female friend to a transman who is also a very good friend)
• My fear of Mermaids and its ilk. The lies, the sheer audacity of the lies

There are so many starnds to what I want to say... that letter has covered everything!

I hope the signatory list grows, I know they will get support from us here, no matter the severity/stupidity of the backlash!

Good luck to them.

Excellent letter and I hope other TS will come out in support.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/petitions_noticeboard/3384045-Petition-to-Stonewall

Excellent letter
That is brave

That's a great letter and I completely support them.
Stonewall are a joke.

A strong message, I hope it gets reported properly. Those of us here that were trans allies in the past always had transsexuals such as these in mind and some of those names I recognise. These are not the people policing women, taking places in sports and awards and telling us they can do womening better.

Good for them. Every organisation I have ever worked for clambers to get recognised by stonewall and I'm now just livid every time they promote themselves in the workplace.

Good point Jacky.
Given the number of teenage girls being referred surely there should be loads of middle aged women celebrating that they can finally be men.
Yet here we are, loads of middle aged women relieved that they’re now adults and didn’t do their teenage years now.

IDoN0tCare

Also agreed.

Once the petitions are well on their way they need flagging up to the press. Stonewall are a joke these days. Now I know that they're funded by corporate interests it makes more sense why they've been pushing the agenda they have. They're so underhanded. I hate that lesbians, gays and transsexuals are being dragged into all this. Never mind the way TA's always drag intersex people into arguments to try to make half baked scientific claims. It's kinda personal I guess because my old friend adopted an intersex child who it turned out had been assigned the wrong sex at birth. It was a long time ago and it was so hard for them all. It's not the same thing as feeling gender queer!

Good for them. All the best to you if any of you are reading this.

Good for them. I totally support those 14.