Any Trans Inclusive feminists here?

My point about assholes being assholes, was in reference to people insisting that their are only two sexes; while using the term intersex.

There are only two sexes.

I’m no fan of the term intersex because it creates the impression of a halfway house, but it is what it is, it’s in the medical dictionaries and it’s not my place to change it.

You’re doing the POMO language thing, where you take a general statement and make it about an individual in order to ramp up the emotion. So a neutral statement like ‘disorder of sexual development ’ gets turned into are you saying I’m a disorder?!? You, like, literally don’t want me to exist!

The condition is a disorder (range of conditions actually) - neutral statement.,
The people who have them are people, as valid as any other person.

I wouldn't count myself as a radfem, but I do think that if biological males are included in feminism it dilutes what feminism means.

Feminism has its origins in biological differences, if there were no biological differences there would be no historical oppression, so I believe it should continue to be based on biological differences ie no natal males.

Seems the opposition are very vocal here

They are not really, have you actually read through threads here?

I don't think most people exclude trans women. They are still at risk of rape and resulting pregnancy as they are biological females.
Thats why they get put into womens prisons.

Feminism is a movement for the liberation and autonomy of women. We can't achieve that if we cant even define 'woman'. That isn't hate or being exclusionary.

I cant think of another civil rights movement who's members are not allowed to define themselves or fight for their own rights.

playground taunts about what a rainbow or my name is?
No I was just asking. You don't have to answer, obviously.

You are so disingenuous, it’s laughable

evidence, understanding or illustration of harms caused by binary thinking
Please explain what you mean by this? What is binary thinking and how is it harmful?

intersex people are simply disordered and are not valid or entitled to having their sex classified as third
People with a disorder aren't "disordered". Did anyone claim certain people aren't "valid"? What does that even mean? Are all their identity documents shredded? Are they a non-person? What is validity in this context?
And have intersex people asked for a third sex to be invented for them? That isn't my experience, can you give examples of this request?

Predicting this thread will turn out to be the usual barrage from people who can't bear to see others have differing opinions to them though.

The OP, certainly had a problem with seeing different opinions on the other thread I've seen them on.

Jax, some of us are still waiting for you to educate us about what 'non binary' means to you.

My feminism is about liberating all female people from the male system of oppression known as patriarchy. So yeah, all of us, class female, no juvenile or adult human female is excluded.

I love The Carpenters.

From the other thread:

Good luck getting bitter, twisted & just nasty....

Sorry your (sic) too stupid to talk to

So respectful.

Also, you haven't answered the question over there about what capacity a 13 year old girl has to consent to a bilateral mastectomy. And why that is different to consenting to sex?

people insisting that their are only two sexes; while using the term intersex.... and; no matter the evidence, understanding or illustration of harms caused by binary thinking, you just stick to your rhetoric that intersex people are simply disordered and are not valid or entitled to having their sex classified as third, (or to respect any wider discourse of multiple sex etc)

Gosh. So much wrong.

I welcome anyone into feminism or as a feminist ally if they put women front and centre. Feminism is about women. I am also passionate about anti racism, gay rights, climate change-loads of other issues. But not because I am a feminist.

entitled to having their sex classified as third

oh good heavens

what gametes do the third sex produce?

what do you think the purpose of sex is?

I’m inclusive of trans adults. Those who are able to give consent.

I’m inclusive of trans allies who are terrified of the TRA train demolishing children’s rights and lives. Those who are effectively grooming children into life changing, painful and irreversible treatments that will leave them with scars and infertility.

I am inclusive of people who strongly question Stonewall and Mermaids and want to hold them
Accountable to their claims.

I am inclusive of well researched, evidence based and peer reviewed science.

My feminism isn’t about upholding gender roles, it’s about liberating women from the oppression forced on them by their sex. That means all adult human females, regardless of whether they have a gender identity or not
this .

My support for women's rights includes all females without exception. Most certainly including transmen and non binary females.

Or did you mean transwomen? I wish them well, along with all other males. But cannot include them in the category 'female', because...well, they're male. They have other needs. But not female needs.

I am reclaiming Women's Liberation. It's much clearer.

All women, adult human females, are included in my feminism, since our biology is the reason for our oppression.

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3505790-Joshua-Kennon-More-than-two-sexes

Oh dear OP. Your lack of understanding is a problem.
Disorders of development = development does not progress as expected.

DSD is a term, not an insult. Stop looking for reasons to take offence.

Transmen are women so yes, they are included.

My point about assholes being assholes, was in reference to people insisting that their are only two sexes; while using the term intersex.... and; no matter the evidence, understanding or illustration of harms caused by binary thinking, you just stick to your rhetoric that intersex people are simply disordered and are not valid or entitled to having their sex classified as third, (or to respect any wider discourse of multiple sex etc)
I’m allowed to call that out dear.

It seemed to be in response to my statement,
"There is a great danger in mixing beliefs, anecdotes and biological facts."

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