Any Trans Inclusive feminists here?

I'm with Bernard and stillathing too, and Lang regarding feminism.

Women's lib, women's abs girls rights includes trans men for me as they have needs specific to their sex.

Yeah. Interestingly I find more empathy towards trans individuals in the past, but more visibility in the wider world today.

I take my inspiration from the stories a good friend tells me about the early leather & lgbt movement in 70s San Francisco. It seemed a lot more loving and less conflicted.

you just stick to your rhetoric that intersex people are simply disordered

Language again.

Person has a disorder - neutral, factual, can be verified with facts.

Person IS DISORDERED - negative language, very emotional, can be used as an attack.

Perhaps they put something in blue hair dye?

It's really worrying that there's someone who wants to categorise people who have a DSD as a "third" sex. What about their privacy and right to live as male or female?
I did ask for evidence that people with DSDs want to be considered a third sex.

I assume userschmoozer has simply made a mistake about the terminology and thought that "trans women" referred to women when the more useful term "transwomen" actually refers to men. I suppose they were referring to "transmen", that is women.

Well this didn't go well as the OP forgot about the transmen....

I haven’t, no R0 - the figure genreally accepted is about 0.02% I think - so 1/100th of that 1.7% figure.

TRAs are trying to get things like pcos and hypospadias into that bracket, which is totally incorrect.

Non-binary = I have blue hair and get offended very, very easily.

So all that hard work those women and men did? That’s got us to a place where you can wear, do and be whatever you want. Don’t shit all over those pioneers with your non binary nonsense.

Well this didn't go well as the op forgot about the transmen....

*of sexual development

you just stick to your rhetoric that intersex people are simply disordered

Even our NHS describes them as having disorders of see elopment.

It's really worrying that there's someone who wants to categorise people who have a DSD as a "third" sex. What about their privacy and right to live as male or female?
And what has this got to do with trans inclusivity and rainbows...?

‘Non binary’

= I am very special and defy all gender norms. Because I’m special. But the rest of you need to adhere to strict gender stereotypes because otherwise I don’t look special. I am very special, did I mention that?

Thing is, a lot of us on here have been defying gender norms for decades. Short hair, trousers, fighting to get mortgages when you needed a man’s permission, blazing trails in ‘men only’ professions. Supporting men and women who want to look or act outside the narrow stereotypes and often facing hardship for doing so.,

So all that hard work those women and men did? That’s got us to a place where you can wear, do and be whatever you want. Don’t shit all over those pioneers with your non binary nonsense.

I’m no fan of the term intersex because it creates the impression of a halfway house, but it is what it is, it’s in the medical dictionaries and it’s not my place to change it.

Bowl did you listen to the R4 Recent Radio 4 'More Or Less' fact check on misleading claims about 'Intersex' ? Dr Bernard Khoo described how he also regards the term 'intersex as problematic.

"The BBC reports that as many as 1.7% of the world have intersex traits. Tim Harford speaks to an expert in the field, endocrinologist Dr Bernard Khoo about why that number is too high."

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000222z

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3482851-More-or-Less-Radio-4-now-prevalence-of-intersex

I'm trans inclusive. Transmen, being female are included in my feminism, and I stand by trans people in their right to be accepted as trans, to live free from discrimination and bullying, whilst being comitted to preserving same-sex spaces for women, and recognising biology.
Not hard.

Me!
I'm biologically female, and I fight for the sex based rights of all biological females.
I don't care how they identify.
I'm completely inclusive of all biological females!

Oh wait.
You'd forgotten about the females who are trans, hadn't you. Easily done, they're not as important to you I imagine.
You meant "are there any feminists here who will include males".

Predicting this thread will turn out to be the usual barrage from people who can't bear to see others have differing opinions to them though.

You mean like the OP calling people assholes for providing information about disorders of sex development?

A space for respect, equality & peace in the rainbow for us?

Who is the 'us'.
Calling women 'assholes' on the FWR board doesn't seem especially respectful or peaceful.

I'm really confused now, Jax. You said you are 'nonbinary' and I assumed you meant you don't call yourself female despite being female. Where does intersex or DSD come into that?

This rainbow by the way? Is it a spectrum or discontinuous?

(Science joke.)

@userschmoozer can you explain how a transwoman is at risk of pregnancy please?

It's not a playground taunt. You're the one launching in suggesting that because some scientists gave you correct information about the various rare conditions under the intersex condition, that means 'intersex' people aren't 'valid', and made pronouncements about being non binary, and when you were asked what you mean by that told people to 'educate themselves' (which is usually the reason people ask questions).

You've been answered that yes, the proponents of women's liberation are inclusive of females who are trans, but what you're wanting is people who nod and smile at whatever personal identity quirks you indulge in and there aren't really any threads on MN anywhere that that sort of thing happens.

I don't think most people exclude trans women.

Transwomen are biological men.