Any Trans Inclusive feminists here?

you just stick to your rhetoric that intersex people are simply disordered

FFS, they have a disorder, they are not that disorder. How dim.

When will people learn, I read up to page 4, 3 posts by OP and that's it. Clear troll, just ignore...

I'm so glad the TRA's on twitter directed me to all you vipers on MN  may they send many more women our way.

Amen to that Just!

I'm quite happy to include transmen as they are female.

I literally don't give a shit if someone wants to call themselves Tracey and stick a dress on, if it makes you feel better then crack on. However when you start waving your female penis at me in a women's changing room and demand I accept it because it's a "female" penis... then I care.

When you start telling me that I'm not a woman, that I'm a "cis-woman"...then I care.

When you start to appropriate women's struggles and pains... then I care.

When people start giving children drugs that will permanently fuck them up? Then I really fucking care!

I'm a feminist and a trans friendly one... when the trans movement isn't trying to take everything away from me just because I'm a woman and they want to be one.

Perhaps they are merely in the garden eating worms?

Flounced or acquired 3 strikes already?

Has OP flounced?
I came back to read the thread properly and see OP has had comments deleted and then gone AWOL.

I'm so glad the TRA's on twitter directed me to all you vipers on MN flowers may they send many more women our way.

Indeed

I agree with Shite

Ne'er a truer word spoken...

A space for respect, equality & peace

Feminism should be inclusive of all females, working for respect, equality and peace for women. Being 'inclusive' of males would make it no longer such a place for many women.

Feminists may also be very happy to be allies with transwomen wanting trans rights that do not impinge on women's rights. There may be some causes where there is overlap between us. Feminism is not 'non-men-ism'.

D'you think they draw lots to decide who gets to go into the vipers' nest of a day and poke us with sticks...?

That made me snort with laughter... drinking at the time was not the best plan.

I'm so glad the TRA's on twitter directed me to all you vipers on MN may they send many more women our way.

I agree with Shite

Yeah as always 'trans inclusive' does not mean transmen..its all about transwomen. If you do not accept that men are women just because they say so..you are trans exclusive, naughty naughty.

I think that when the OP says Trans Inclusionary Feminists, what they actually mean is feminists who will shut up, go away and let trans women have full possession of womanhood!

They don’t want real inclusion because they want to exclude biological women - or, at best, leave them on the sidelines whilst trans women hog the limelight.

Any Trans Inclusive Feminists here?

I don't know, have you checked under the sofa? First place I always look when I've lost something.

OP, do let us know when you've got enough screenshots for your Twitter posts about us uppity bitches, won't you?

D'you think they draw lots to decide who gets to go into the vipers' nest of a day and poke us with sticks...?

OP, do let us know when you've got enough screenshots for your Twitter posts about us uppity bitches, won't you?

It's all good.
Bringing people to the nest n' all that.

And yes that means I’m trans inclusive too OP. Although I suspect not in the way you were hoping for.

And that deviation from prostrated obedience makes you one of the biggest transphobic hate fulled bigot going, dontchaknow? Fucking ridiculous state of affairs

(OP, do let us know when you've got enough screenshots for your Twitter posts about us uppity bitches, won't you?)

Vix I agree with you. Absolutely this.

I’ve jumped here from the other thread, where I’m still wondering what the difference is between me and Jax in being non binary. Genuinely would love to know.

Like many of us here I have fought tooth and claw for those who society rejects. I still do. And yes that means I’m trans inclusive too OP. Although I suspect not in the way you were hoping for.

Another trans inclusive feminist here

Always have been. My feminism covers all biological females however they identify since our oppression is based upon our biology.

This would be me..and I suspect most others on the board too. Infact, I (and probably many others here) actually fall under the 'trans umbrella' as it currently stands, tbh I think most people would.

To my mind though, feminism is about female people. And I find it sad that some keep trying to put across that concern for the rights of female people, is 'anti-trans'. It doesn't seem possible to acknowledge sex at all without being called transphobic, which is bonkers.

Can you explain to me how the feelings of a MTF trans person who wants to work in a women's domestic violence shelter, trumps the need of the women who use that shelter to have a space free of people who were born male and may still have fully functioning male genitalia?

Or how the validation of a male HCP/ doctor's gender identity trumps the need for female patients to have a female chaperone during intimate gyny examinations?

I think there's been a recent thread following a recent described situation in A&E as circulated on twitter. I'm not sure if it was confirmed though and wasn't on the thread to link.

January 2018:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3125889-Woman-requests-a-female-nurse-She-gets-a-transwoman-instead

@JaxintheBlue - my problem with some transactivism is the way that it seems to seek to replace women. It was Shon Faye who said "Women - enjoy ur erasure!" They also seem to expect women to centre the needs of MTF trans people, at the expense of their own needs and safety. To some, it doesn't matter a jot that some biological women are scared of having people with fully functioning penises in spaces where they, the women, feel vulnerable - like changing rooms or toilets.

I will never support the way some transactivists want children to be given irreversible hormone treatment that could cause osteoporosis, leave them sterile, whether they choose to carry on and fully transition or not, and which could have a negative impact on their ability to learn during their most important educational years - all without the knowledge or consent of their parents!

On another thread on here, someone said something very wise - I apologise that I can't remember who it was - but they said something along these lines - "I have no problem with trans people being given a seat at the table - but women have fought long and hard for their seat and I am not willing to give that up to the trans community. They are welcome to their own seat - they are not welcome to women's seat!"

Can you explain to me how the feelings of a MTF trans person who wants to work in a women's domestic violence shelter, trumps the need of the women who use that shelter to have a space free of people who were born male and may still have fully functioning male genitalia?

Or how it is OK that someone who has had all the physical advantages in terms of bone density, lung capacity, muscle mass, endurance and strength that male androgens give, should be able to ID as female and dominate in the women's version of their sport, against women who have not had their advantages? How is that fair? Why should women meekly shift over and relinquish their hard-fought-for sports to people who were born and grew up male?

When you ask for inclusive feminism, what space do YOU see for biological women in that feminism? Do you think we have a right to be part of feminism, or do you want us to just shut up and go away, so that MTF trans people can 'have' feminism and womanhood all to themselves? Because I will NEVER agree to the latter, nor will I ever be happy to support inclusion when it means the exclusion of biological women.

I have been absolutely blindsided by the way groups of men just CANNOT accept that they might not always be the main focus of interest. It's been revelatory.

Me too Fazackerley. Revelatory is the word.