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A Blow to free speech in NewZeaand

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Illyria47 · 12/02/2019 04:10

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Just saw this, did post about it on the link to the meeting in Auckland but felt it needed a wider audience.
Evidently women speaking about women on a matter that concerns women is no longer allowed in New Zealand!

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Illyria47 · 12/02/2019 06:57

Yes, noted that. My sister and I are going to write to the Prime Minister with our concerns re the prevailing atmosphere around the Self-ID proposal which has allowed the craven capitulation of the Phantom Billsticker company to an obvious disinformation campaign by a number of people with regard to the motive behind the poster.
We will be writing to Jamey Holloway of Phantom Billstickers too you may be rest assured.

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fidgetspinner555 · 12/02/2019 06:43

Can I just point out that our fav Doc is currently in NZ.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 12/02/2019 06:10

The constant and deliberate conflation of having concerns about the infringement of women's rights with rampant transphobia is bloody annoying.

yes, this is a blow to freedom of speech in NZ

Illyria47 · 12/02/2019 05:46

Having concerns about a piece of legislation is a quite separate issue to the needs of the trans gender community. No one asking for more consultation has any animus towards them even if the trans activists and some female MPs would have it otherwise.
I do not have an irrational fear (phobia) of trans gender persons. I do have a rational fear that women and girls rights could be superseded if the self ID proposal gets passed. All the Government has to do is to assure the women of New Zealand that this will not be the case, that we remain protected under the Human Rights Act 1993. Speak Up for Women has proposed a simple amendment to the BDM and R Act which would ensure the status quo for women.
I noted the Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern did speak about extra funding being needed for surgery a couple of days ago.
What worries me is the creeping censorship which is certainly prevalent in the UK around women being able to speak out on this issue obviously taking place here in NZ. I thought we were a more robust nation than that.

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OtepotiLilliane42 · 12/02/2019 05:42

Pixiedust2017 I agree with you that transgender care in NZ is poor, which is why I applaud the government's moves to allocate more money for surgery, and I think that every person struggling with gender identity issues should be able to see a counsellor if at all possible.

However, my concern about Self ID has nothing to do with the transgender community per se, but with the fact that it was introduced without due diligence as to its possible effects on women's rights to sex-segregated spaces such as toilets, changing rooms, hostels, refuges etc.

As I said on this thread Professor Rosa Freeedman & Barrister Julian Norman to speak in Auckland on Self ID 26 February all we have wanted from the Government is a straight answer to these questions: Will this self-identification provision for gender identity override sex-based protections for women and girls? Will the seeming conflation of biological sex and gender identity render meaningless the current protections in the Human Rights Act 1993 against sex-based discrimination and provisions for sex-segregated facilities and services?

And if the answer to those questions is yes and yes, then it is up to to
the government, not us, to give good reasons as to why why sexual predators will not be able to take advantage of Self ID to say that they have a legal right to enter, and remain, in formerly sex-segregated spaces.

Why these perfectly reasonable questions have been met with vitriol I don't know, since it would be in everyone's interests for our lawmakers to enact legislation that would help transgender people to live the life they want, and ensure at the same time that women don't lose hard won rights to safe spaces.

Pixiedust2017 · 12/02/2019 04:58

Hmm. You say that but transgender care in NZ is actually rather poor. Whilst I personally dont agree it should be paid for by the taxpayer, the waiting lists are horrendous for surgery. I know quite a few people who are really struggling to get the help they need at all with doctors or counsellors. The waiting list in my region to see the specialists alone is over 18 months long, let alone be considered for surgery. All of that is tangent to OPs original point however. All women should be listened to and have a voice.

Yeahnahyeah · 12/02/2019 04:47

Oh ffs. I hope this gets covered by the press, with a comments section, but I bet it doesn't. I fear we kiwis are doing this trans ideology worse than any other country, which is saying something. Angry

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