The Making of Me, anyone watching?

Youthful 'desperation' can take you down a very dangerous path, often ignoring voices of reason who just don't want you to make a mistake you may regret.

Really enjoying this series, i think they’re doing a good job and great idea to how their progress over several years.

The male doctor who Jay saw, think I recognised the name (but can’t remember it now) - isn’t he well known?

LangCleg I think the control element comes from feeling that they want to remake things in the way that makes sense for them. It's not that I am defending it but simply that it is perhaps the best way for them to cope.

scotsheather It didn't strike me that Emma/Scott was confident at all, just desperate.

Scott strikes me as an overconfident young adult who knows better than the professionals. 'I'll transition come hell or high water I won't change my mind'.

Their whole lives are about controlling other people.

hall way

Justhadathought

"I'm not sure why your past life should be so off limits. Trying to pretend it was never real - just because you now feel another way. It happened. It is part of you; but it is also part of other people's lives and their memories too."

But imagine if you married and your parents put a big photo (or even small one) of you and hubby/wife in the hall eat. When you split up they refused to take it down because it was part of their memories? Bit it's noe part of your past and may r one you desperately want to move away from? Would that be fair?

How did these types of people be themselves before cross sex hormones and cosmetic surgery?

This is the crux of it, isn't it. So much of the rise of transgendersim has arisen out of medical and surgical advances, and the subsequent promotion of them.

I think the photos thing is totally understandable. I think they came up with a good solution in taking new photos.

Understandable, maybe, but neither fair nor reasonable. I'm not sure why your past life should be so off limits. Trying to pretend it was never real - just because you now feel another way. It happened. It is part of you; but it is also part of other people's lives and their memories too.

I think the photos thing is totally understandable. I think they came up with a good solution in taking new photos.

My heart goes out to Marie, I do hope she finds happiness after all this. As for Scott/Emma, what a petulant spoilt brat. I was agog at the demands to have his parents remove all the family photos to play along with his fantasy.

Yes. I wanted to invite Marie over here!

And when the doctor said to Jay (the detransitioner) "this rarely ever happens"

I see (on Twitter) Joanne has a new business as a diversity and inclusion advisor.

Anyone watched tonight's episode?

i recognize that ABBA song. Poor Julie.

Vanity is not NHS funded for the rest of the population.
I hate the idea that vanity becomes something much more grave and serious when accompanied by suicide threats. It's emotional blackmail, often by people who swap notes online on what to say to tick all the boxes.
I have sympathy for anyone who is genuinely suicidal of course. I just hate it being used as a threat by manipulative people.

Agreed, a lot of biological women have masculine features their not happy with, they can't get surgery on the NHS.

Look how much hate that girl got a few years back for getting a boob job on the NHS because she had no breast tissue.

If a transwoman is already a woman, the surgery is just making them a more feminine attractive woman. So it should not be NHS funded. Vanity is not NHS funded for the rest of the population.

I really hope the NHS stops funding this.

How much of this is done on the NHS? In the programme Simon was definitely in a private hospital, and I think it was mentioned that Cairo was saving up for a mastectomy. Not sure about the other person featured.

I don't see how the NHS can justify paying for what is essentially cosmetic surgery.

Either we should all get free plastic surgery to look like our ideal person or none of us should. Why should you only get it if your ideal person is of the opposite sex?
That's the million dollar question isn't it?

Just watched it and I agree there is no logic to it. The irony of your "true self" requiring loads of plastic surgery voice coaching and tons of make up seems lost on them. I really hope the NHS stops funding this. Why should men get plastic surgery to feminise their faces and have the breast they want when women who are unhappy and want to look like more attractive women can't? Either we should all get free plastic surgery to look like our ideal person or none of us should. Why should you only get it if your ideal person is of the opposite sex?
I do feel that Caira went in to the sexualised world of modelling too young and reacted against the creepy older male attention by turning her back on her femaleness. Sad. She could have just gone down the butch lesbian route and abandoned the superficial modelling world.
They seem nice if self obsessed people but it's all so shallow and narcissistic

As per that twitter comment screen shotted -

If your matching your sex as you already are that sex, then why do you need surgery and hormones. Surely a true transwomans would just be a woman with the biology of a man. By that mentality she is already a woman (penis, testosterone, deep voice and all) and so she shouldnt need to change physically to be a woman. She is one.

I wonder if Simon’s wife would’ve been allowed 17 grand from the family budget to spend on cosmetic surgery? That was just the facial work, the breast implants and the GRS were separate.

It really struck me that at their vow renewal she was looking at her husband and her husband was looking at the guests, looking at his new look. Seemed very autogynephilic, frankly - more a showing off as a bride than a public recommitment to a loyal partner.

(They have stayed married so he legally remains a husband and a ‘he’ in law - I really struggled with how to phrase this so it made sense but concluded the legal position is easiest to understand)

The divorcing of words from their definitions continues

My heart went out to all of them. Them and their families and loved ones.

Honestly I didn't think the way they interacted with people was as I expected. They seemed almost too sure and disassociated from the impact.

Well made apart from there was no challenge to the participants but I guess that wasn't the intention.

Trans men can 'pass' more easily than trans women - given long periods on testosterone. In fact, they can look like very beautiful boys/young men. But thisn doesn't disguise the fact that they aren't boys or men, though.

So much sacrifice in the personal realm, and for what?

We've got two strands here: one one hand gay men and women; and older male transvestites. The advent of modern surgical techniques and the self interest of the big pharmaceuticals is what is behind all of this. It is clear from many testimonies that children who go on to be gay or lesbian have always entertained the idea that they may be the opposite sex when young, but mostly go on to identify as what they really are.

You cannot change sex. This programme makes this totally obvious - no matter the kindness of friends or colleagues.