The Sun admit the Ian Huntley isTrans story was made up

So you believe there are convicted rapists including Karen White who are actually women?

Is that correct?

As more prisioners become trans, do you not think laws need to be reviewed openly?

The right to be placed in a prison that matches their gender, subject to a review by prison services.

You think that is some sort of human right? To be able to just choose whether you go to a male or female prison, depending on how you feel?

No honey.

Oh and by the way, Karen White was 'subject to a review by prison services' and look how that turned out. And don't start with the whole 'don't tar all trans people with the same brush' crap either.

The point is that is doesn't matter if a male is trans or not in a culture where they can simply say 'I am a woman' and they can get transferred to a female prison if the prison service thinks its 'safe' (as they did in Karen Whites case).

And if you don't think that will be open to abuse by men (especially men who are already criminals) then you are incredibly naive and probably shouldn't be taking part in a discussion about safeguarding women in prison.

arguing that there's no specific law that gives you the right not to be murdered means you don't have the right not to be murdered when obviously we all have the right not to be murdered.

Right, did you know there are more trans murders in the UK than those murdered.

The right to be placed in a prison that matches their gender, subject to a review by prison services.

Okay, now we are getting somewhere, wanting to actually define this in law around what it and the risk assessment means is presumably what you call a 'roll back'.

But there are so many genders
Where should none binary people go

I know it's easier to argue against what you wish other people had said but please don't waste everyone's time with it

OP, could you engage with the point made that the fact people were so quick to affirm this gender identity shows that actually people are entitled to be concerned about self ID?

Could you also confirm, given you seem to dislike straw men, that no one sensible has argued that all trans women are predators or that trans women shouldn’t have the right to exist which I hear with alarming regularity on Twitter?

That’s irrespective of the Lian issue suggesting the story wasn’t totally fabricated.

And yes, PIE also tried in infiltrate the homosexual movement too, the difference was the gay community distanced themselves instead of defended them.

Well of course it was made up.

Because this never happens.

You can't roll back what isn't in place.

As Captain says, which rights do you fear would be rolled back?

Actually I disagree. I don't think convicted criminals should be able to change their name or sex.

OP has ignored evidence that shows trans activists accepted Huntley as a trans woman. If anything, this whole story shows the utter confusion created by not having a GRC.

There is no right for transpeople to be put in the prision of the opposite sex.
There are calls for open discussions around how and what to implement.

So, which rights were argued to be rolled back? The right of male people to shift to female prisons, with no thought at all to the female people it affected? Yes if somethings totally made up for a story, its bad. However, whether it was Huntely or not, predatory men would take advantage, and have. So really, nothing has changed with this.

It was TRAs who massively shot themselves in the foot over this tbh. Rapist hill indeed.

Just to expand on this, the very next RT from Jeremy Vine is someone doing exactly like this while insisting "a significant number of rapists/paedophiles have infiltrated the [trans] movement", a repeat of the slur that was used against lesbian and gay people in the 1980s.

So let's get this straight. You don't think any man ever would ever take advantage of a law which says you can self id as a woman and therefore have access to women in prisons, changing rooms or toilets, or be able to carry out intimate exams of women 'as a woman'?

Honestly? Given everything that you know about the lengths that men will go to to access vulnerable people, you don't think self id is ripe for being abused?

Come on now.

In prison you lose your liberty, the right to vote etc.
You should also lose the right to change your gender.
Ian Huntley is a man, will always be a man. If he were ever to be released (which he isn't) then he can decide to be a trans woman when he leaves prison.
Prisons are punishments not birthday presents.

I know it's easier to argue against what you wish other people had said but please don't waste everyone's time with it.

And again which rights?

@FeministFrequencyFan You do know that PIE actually were actively supported by the gay movement? Thats not a baseless slur.

"a significant number of rapists/paedophiles have infiltrated the [trans] movement", a repeat of the slur that was used against lesbian and gay people in the 1980s.

So in your opinion people like David Challenor have not piggy backed on the coat tails of the Trans movement for their own gain?

YOu seem to be confused about what is actually a 'right'?