The Sun admit the Ian Huntley isTrans story was made up

Yes, my right not to be murdered is rather implied by the fact that if it can be proven in court that you murdered me, you'll get a mandatory life sentence.

Can we just check something.

Apparently, i won't embarrass the person by saying who it is, some said there's no law against murder.

This was a bit of a silly thing to say wasn't it.

utterlyunimaginative OP means that there’s no statute prohibiting murder, erroneously equating “statute” with “law” whereas a statute is a type of law.

Doesn’t that FPFW quote refer to predatory criminals rather than all trans people?

Yes it does. It's about criminals.

I've never believed any male prisoners should be in the female estate, OP. No exceptions. I continue in this belief.

So as suspected it's not rights it's demands - like always.

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there's no specific law that gives you the right not to be murdered
Really?

Yes it does.

Doesn’t that FPFW quote refer to predatory criminals rather than all trans people? A rather specific set of offenders.

OP I seem to remember that came from a thread about actual criminals, as indicated by the tweet they’re replying to saying “and they all want to move to a female prison”. So could you please link the whole thread if you disagree with this? Tweets are no longer there. Because I would hate to think you’re doing the usual TRA trick of mischaracterising everything, because your arguments simply aren’t up to a straight battle.

Fae has chipped in on Jeremy Vine’s twitter feed saying “You might wonder whether we should be so quick to take the words of people who are, by defninition, criminals”

Fae, at the time, defended IH's right to be treated like a woman.

Up to now we have had
Work for a charity
Become a scout leader/football coach
Work in education
Become a doctor
Join the priesthood

As just a few examples of ways in which men have ensured they have access to vulnerable people. The safeguarding checks on all of those things have now increased hugely.

And yet at the same time, people want to put forward a law in which any man could 'self identify' as a woman and gain the legal rights and protections of women, including being able to use vulnerable women's spaces? And people can't see a problem with it?

It's fucking nuts! (pardon the pun)

Ok op so the right you think may be taken away from a Trans person, is the right to be placed in a prison that matches their gender.
You have then added subject to a review by prison services.
Ok, I see what you are getting at now.
I don't believe that a man, a criminal should be able to say I'm a woman and demand to be placed in a female prison.
There were no reviews about Karen White and that didn't go very well did it?
As for Trans men wanting to be placed in a men's prison, nope can't see that working either

Prisoners are currently faking religion just to get better meals, so if you think predators won’t fake being trans to get close to a potential victim pool you are very naive.

I'm pleased you are responding, talking is good isn't it.

LOL. A cohort of male prisoners who are four times more likely to be sex offenders than male prisoners as a whole are having their rights to offend rolled back by being accommodated with prisoners of the same birth sex and similar risk category. Good one.

I'd say 0/10 but I'll up it to 1/10 for not plopping, OP.

The right to be placed in a prison that matches their gender, subject to a review by prison services

This was never a legal ‘right’, except for the under 5,000 people with a GRC.

And even then, it’s not a right, as natal women can theoretically be legally held in the male estate anyway - this policy just isn’t used at present because there ARE NO natal women who need maximum security status.

I think it's utterly ridiculous to suggest a man would go through the process of having his gender officially changed in order to assault women when there are numerous easier ways to go about achieving that goal.

Erm, but self ID means..self ID. No process necessary. Hence the problem!

Jsyk, I'm just going to skip straight to ignoring you if your next argument is there's no specific law that gives people this right, as if arguing that there's no specific law that gives you the right not to be murdered means you don't have the right not to be murdered when obviously we all have the right not to be murdered

Are you a lawyer? Because the common law gives us the right not to be murdered to use your parlance - or more accurately prohibits people from committing murder. I am astonished you would think the common law is a good comparison to make. It makes no sense at all.

Okay, now we are getting somewhere, wanting to actually define this in law around what it and the risk assessment means is presumably what you call a 'roll back'.

Well of course. Considering the needs/rights of female people is transphobic, we know this already.

I think it's utterly ridiculous to suggest a man would go through the process of having his gender officially changed in order to assault women when there are numerous easier ways to go about achieving that goal.

This is so naive its frightening.
Men like White don't pretend to be trans in order to access women, the cross dressing is part of their fetish.

I think it's utterly ridiculous to suggest a man would go through the process of having his gender officially changed in order to assault women when there are numerous easier ways to go about achieving that goal.

What are the 'numerous ways' in which a man can gain close proximity access to vulnerable women in prison?

I think it's utterly ridiculous to suggest a man would go through the process of having his gender officially changed in order to assault women when there are numerous easier ways to go about achieving that goal.

Karen White.