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The Sun admit the Ian Huntley isTrans story was made up

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FeministFrequencyFan · 11/02/2019 14:18

twitter.com/theJeremyVine/status/1094931865318948864

A timely, if incredibly worrying reminder, that we should view all stories about minorities from our press with extreme skepticism. I hope this is the only fabricated inflammatory anti-trans story our press has published, it would be awful if the debate regarding trans rights was being used as cover by bigots to spread anti-trans hatred.

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DadOnIce · 13/02/2019 13:32

It's entirely possible that the tabloids, knowing what they're like, made up this sensationalist story about proven liar and psychopathic child-killer Ian Huntley.

Then again, it's also entirely possible that proven liar and psychopathic child-killer Ian Huntley was fully intending to fake being 'trans' in order to gain access to a women's prison, but is now frantically backpedalling because someone has had a quiet word and told him he'll never get away with it.

It's also possible that proven liar and psychopathic child-killer Ian Huntley knew it was made-up all along but rather enjoyed letting the story have traction so he could feel as if he was manipulating people from the comfort of his cell.

It doesn't automatically mean that we have to believe the word of proven liar and psychopathic child-killer Ian Huntley. And even if this story about proven liar and psychopathic child-killer Ian Huntley is not true, it doesn't automatically mean every other story about men going 'trans' in order to gain access to women's prisons is fake, much as the woketastic would love to believe it does.

If it is untrue, of course, it does make the wokeadelics on Twitter who rushed to the visible support of proven liar and psychopathic child-killer Ian Huntley ('Her name is Lian, don't deadname her, don't misgender her, wah wah'') look at best misguided and at worst really, really fucking stupid.

Just to check - it's still OK to refer to him as 'proven liar and psychopathic child-killer Ian Huntley' without being pulled up by the MN guidelines, I hope?

I mean, he is a proven liar and psychopathic child-killer, but you never know, these days.

GoodbyePiccadilly · 13/02/2019 10:37

I am sure there is nothing in the timing of this, just as it has been announced that men will be put in separate units if they declare themselves trans, rather than going into the female estate. Suspect 'Lian' is being laid to rest as quickly as possible.

It made sense that Huntley was a transvestite; it's a paraphilia that comes in some cases with others, including paedophilia. The violent autogynophile isn't just a fictional trope. Several serial killers, including Ed Gein, Richard Speck, Donna Perry & Beate Schmidt are trans. A quick google will offer a wellspring of news reports on crossdressers who commit sexual offences. It's funny how so many victims are female. Gender fluidity isn't something applied to their victims.

Ereshkigal · 12/02/2019 22:36

There was a documentary about Soham last year, and they mention the trans claim to I think the police detective who investigated Huntley, and he said Huntley lied constantly about everything so he could totally believe it.

ChesterGreySideboard · 12/02/2019 20:12

Whether this is true or not it has caused a lot of people to nail their colours to the mast.

hipsterfun · 12/02/2019 18:52

Both!

VickyEadie · 12/02/2019 17:53

This story, as we know, has been around for quite some time. Yet Huntley - who will have known this story was going around - waited until very recently indeed to say it was not true (coincidentally the announcement was made just after the news came out that TW sex offenders weren't getting placed in women's prisons any more).

I therefore conclude that one of the following is the case with Huntley:

  1. He was claiming to be trans to get into the female estate and once he found out it was never going to happen decided to refute the claim or
  1. He knew it wasn't true but enjoyed the notoriety, being a psychopath murderer and so allowed it to trundle on, getting a real buzz out of scaring women.
NottonightJosepheen · 12/02/2019 17:26

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FloralBunting · 12/02/2019 17:20

The point is not that anyone should put up with being in danger. It's that women deserve not to be put at risk just because some men are at risk in the make estate.

Everyone who isn't a complete fucking pillock who doesn't care about practical measures to keep transpeople safe or about women at all knows that the answer is a third space.

The only reason to press for male bodied transpeople in the female estate and ignore the case for third spaces is because the Genderist religion prizes 'validation' above everything - which is precisely why the craven idiots were defending Huntley's contested desire to be a woman.

Wriggle around as much as you like, Genderists, but whatever you say now, you've shown in this debacle what is important to you, and it isn't trans people or women. Your religion sucks.

Vixxxy · 12/02/2019 16:59

Well yes, if womens prisons are so awful for transwomen, there is a glaringly obvious answer to this. Prisons are (meant to be) segregated by sex, not gender. So a transwoman getting a hard time in a womens prison..well they shouldn't be there to start with

LuggsaysNotaWomen · 12/02/2019 16:56

”Sometimes transwomen get a hard time in women’s prisons to”

Mercifully they will not have to put up with it any longer. Excellent! I’m sure they will be delighted.

Vixxxy · 12/02/2019 16:49

Yeah, fuck the females. As usual. They should be used to being assaulted anyway by now.

ShouldBeCookingDinner · 12/02/2019 16:23

Female prisoners being sexually assaulted by the likes of Karen White is just having a hard time, apparently, and it's all equal.

The Sun admit the Ian Huntley isTrans story was made up
LauraMipsum · 11/02/2019 22:09

The right to be placed in a prison according to gender is an interesting one.

The UN Standard Minimum Rules for the Treatment of Prisoners are pretty clear at 8(a) about the right to single sex facilities.

www.unodc.org/pdf/criminal_justice/UN_Standard_Minimum_Rules_for_the_Treatment_of_Prisoners.pdf

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 11/02/2019 19:44

All of these happened, including Paul Denyer, who said of women, in an interview with police, “hate women. Just hate them.” After he murdered three of them, including the mother of 22 day old child.

This article is 6 years old, I wonder if it could even be published now?

www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/weird/call-me-michelle-the-killers-who-become-women-behind-bars/news-story/99e8bebf0bcf70579f9173ea21ab9424?sv=69e959af0483bfe72029975427920727

EatShitBoswell · 11/02/2019 19:44

"The right to be placed in a prison that matches their gender, subject to a review by prison services."
@FeministFrequencyFan

Prisons are segregated by sex not gender. Why do you think we segregate prisons? Is it because some prisoners like to wear dresses and shave their legs and other might prefer weight lifting and football? Or is it because of sex based violence? Risk of abuse, pregnancy and the fact the females would be extremely vulnerable?

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 11/02/2019 18:55

iused2

I think youre right

The back-pedalling that must be going on!!!

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 11/02/2019 18:54

tinsel

Shock

And again...lost for words

Grin
Iused2BanOptimist · 11/02/2019 18:51

Sorry to be boring but going back to IH I have a question. People who supposedly misgendered him by saying he was a man when it was thought he was identifying as a woman were slung off Twitter? So they are now innocent and should have their accounts reinstated as he is in fact a man, always has been and now says he is?
Meanwhile those who insisted he was a woman? Should they be retrospectively banned for misgendering?
My head can't take it. 🤯

TinselAngel · 11/02/2019 18:50

D'ya know...its the worn once bit thats putting me off

I suppose I could wear it again if that helps, Rufus.

FloralBunting · 11/02/2019 18:36

I've been told I look a bit like Dervla Kirwan.

The closest I've got a reindeer recently was putting some antlers on the dog over Christmas which he quickly pulled off and ate.

Are people still trotting out "Men would never do underhand things to enable them to do underhand things"? Do the people who say this know any actual people at all, or are they posting from a fantasy commune where it's impossible for anyone to lie?

QuintadiMalago · 11/02/2019 18:33

Sackrifice
That's it. In a nutshell. Those are the facts

sackrifice · 11/02/2019 18:30

Bloody hell. I'd LOVE to be able to form an INFORMED opinion on the trans debate, but the bare facts are nowhere to be seen, or are manipulated to suit a certain agenda.

Lol.

The facts are as follows:
Humans cannot change sex
Females as a class are at risk from males as a class.
Criminals will lie.
Sex offenders will do anything to sex offend.

Which bits are you finding so difficult to grasp?

nauticant · 11/02/2019 18:26

A: See? See? SEE?!

B: Not really. What does this do to change the risk of male sex offenders being put in women's prisons?

A: I'm not bothered about that. What I'm interested in is that this proves you're a bigot.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 11/02/2019 18:23

tinsel

D'ya know...its the worn once bit thats putting me off

terryleather · 11/02/2019 18:22

The LD of nutmeg is about 3 teaspoons.

Thank you user, I love this kind of obscure info..do not get rid of any of it from your brain, you need to save it to share on here!