FGM and breast ironing. A different perspective.

Have you ever been into one of these places?
Do you know how LONG it takes to get to the point of surgery or medication?
Have you ever been in this situation??
Have you ever bloody met a trans person irl

You do realise... your actually arguing with somebody who was a trans child....
Your spouting stigma with no basis in reality ... you’ve never even been there 😂

Any other transphobic rock you’d like to try to hide under??

Jax Are you surprised that people on a site called mumsnet are concerned about child welfare?

Fyi I am the privalidge queen. U can tell cos my spellings.

Sorry your too stupid to talk to

Lol okay then. You're so much more smarterer than me.

I’m pretty sure if 12 year old girls wanted to do that... (particularly white ones) ... they’d be queuing up smile

They are. At gender clinics. Hence the discussion. Do keep up.

kids, who are simply exploring their gender, in safe & clinical settings; with affirmative on-going consent.

They really are not. Children, too young to really understand about sexual reproduction, are being taught to question their 'gender', which is all about stereotypes. Confusion is encouraged, and some of them end up changing their names and thinking they can change sex. The physical mutilation follows, starting with hormone blockers and breast binding.

This is not safe, and there is no easy way out if the child changes their mind.

I’m just curious.... are you both white & privileged?

exploring their gender, in safe & clinical settings; with affirmative on-going consent
Except I've explained I don't believe they can consent. And there's nothing safe about a clinical setting if the outcomes are irreversible, if drugs with ongoing lawsuits regarding their safety are used and if there is no exploration of deeper psychological issues.

why don’t you try to educate yourself

One way of educating yourself is to ask questions of someone who knows more about a subject than you do. So how about explaining to us what you mean by non-binary.

You don’t understand my choice.
You know nothing about me or my body.
You just want to know it all...

Taking the piss doesn’t really help you seem like you understand either...
it just makes you look dumb & like out of date computer that crashes because it can’t handle the data....

You are missing the point.
The point is it’s really insulting and harmful
To compare and appropriate fgm & breast ironing, which is a gender based violence

Onto kids, who are simply exploring their gender, in safe & clinical settings; with affirmative on-going consent.

transgender is not self harm
No but again, a child cannot consent to harming themselves or to changing themselves in a way that could be harmful (and often is). A child can't legally get a tattoo.
Why do you think this is?

I will carry on in my beautiful non binary world, happy, free & liberated; understanding my privalidge of choice

I understand your choice. You're opting out of the gender binary, and do not consider yourself female.
I have opted out of gravity, and do not consider myself subject the the gravitational pull of the earth.

Each to their own, eh?

Flying pig...
transgender is not self harm. Neither is chosen body augmentation.

Also fgm or bread ironing is not done by the child.

Is their no end to your ignorance

Sorry your too stupid to talk to

You're

So i’ll Leave it on that.

I will carry on in my beautiful non binary world, happy, free & liberated; understanding my privalidge of choice & fighting for those who don’t...

Good luck getting bitter, twisted & just nasty.... about the world evolving ;)
Some point the penny will drop for you

Nobody is forcing these kids into the corset or breast binders, they can take them off at anytime. If they do something dumb or unsafe with it; they have help & support.
Btw.... have you even won one?

Nobody is forcing these kids to starve themselves†, they can just eat normally at any time. If they do something dumb or unsafe random people online and shady support groups with histories of sexual abuse will give them "help and support"

† for "starve themselves" substitute "cut themselves" etc

I don’t have to explain myself to you vitriol.... why don’t you try to educate yourself... open your mind...

I’m pretty sure if 12 year old girls wanted to do that... (particularly white ones) ... they’d be queuing up :)

Sorry your too stupid to talk to

If it was performed in a clean clinic by a surgeon, and the 12 year old consented, is that okay? Which is the case in hospitals in Indonesia and Egypt, and yes presumably some of the girls "consented" (in quotation marks because children can't consent)

What do you mean when you say you've always been non-binary, Jax?

What if those 12 year olds in a female body wanted to undergo fgm? If it was performed in a clean clinic by a surgeon, and the 12 year old consented, is that okay?

Flying oink

Nobody is forcing these kids into the corset or breast binders, they can take them off at anytime. If they do something dumb or unsafe with it; they have help & support.
Btw.... have you even won one?

It’s just not compatible to auntie ironing your chest while you cry so you are not seen as sexually available to fit a male view of how a teenage girls should be.

you lot with your transy stuff
Never heard that before

float away then are you bullying me? Are you mocking my identity? Why would you come on here and do that?

JaxintheBlue yes, in answer to your first question, I do. I don't understand your second question. I'm not transphobic.

I love how when it suits it’s all ‘you lot with your transy stuff’
But when we stand up ... oh no, you can’t represent anyone.
I’m just non bullshit.
At least I don’t have to resort to attempting to be bitchy because all other argument fails....
yeah we’ll do us... fighting your transphobic hate.... float away then!

kid making an informed choice... whom can withdraw consent at anytime
I don't believe children can consent to anything that could affect the rest of their life, like GnRH agonists or binding or surgery. So in that respect it's similar. Neither child can consent.
If you start thinking about whether the transitioning child should be able to consent because they really really want to, you end up watering down the legal protections put in place that state children can't consent to sex, or marriage, or sign a contract, or get a finance deal.
A 16 year old might really really want an iPhone contract, for example, and might even be in a position to pay for it, but we agree that under 18s can't be held liable as they aren't adults. And the iPhone contract isn't going to cause brittle bones, or cracked ribs.

Do any of you.... actually know anybody who has experienced fgm or breast ironing?
Or is it your happy to appropriate it into the transphobic argument?

my people you know you can only talk for yourself, right? You don't represent anyone, neither does anyone else on here.
I'm non-gravity. I identify as floating. You do you.