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GCSE biology textbook features woman with Brazilian

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Funkyfunkybeat12 · 10/02/2019 08:06

twitter.com/glaciuswhite23/status/1094341223102513158?s=21

The more I think about this, the more pissed off I get. What the fuck? The picture is of a woman at full term. And now the norm is apparently to make sure you keep up your expensive waxing ritual until you go into labour. Welcome to the new world where even your dorky school textbook teaches you about grooming expectations.

I won’t even go into the abuse Dr Victoria Bateman, the naked Brexit woman, got for daring to display natural pubic hair. Oh the horror.

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bigfluffy · 10/02/2019 10:02

"What if the first student who replies is a boy who says something that makes everyone else feel they have to agree?"

I don't have any boys in my upper sixth group. There are some boys in the group next door. We had a discussion last week about the use of reusable sanitary ware and many of the girls were talking to me and the group about what they use and explaining how a mooncup works. I feel confident that they feel comfortable enough to talk openly if they want to.

FamilyOfAliens · 10/02/2019 09:55

I intend on showing them the image (and some others if I can find them) and asking them what they think of it. Then seeing where the conversation takes us.

What if the first student who replies is a boy who says something that makes everyone else feel they have to agree? Such as expressing the view that any public hair is”gross”? Do you think any of the girls - or boys for that matter - will be able to give their honest views in front of their classmates without risking it becoming personal?

I think they very fact that this is about coercing girls and women into thinking their bodies should be hairless means it doesn’t lend itself to a whole-class discussion.

Oxytocindeficient · 10/02/2019 09:53

I just had a chat with my DD who did GCSE last year. She agreed and thought the image incredibly weird ( they didn’t use that book ) and promoted the sexist ideals of hairless women.

OnTheHop · 10/02/2019 09:50

I agree with you OP.

Either show no hair (diagram approach) or natural hair (picture approach).

Funkyfunkybeat12 · 10/02/2019 09:50

It's absolute nonsense that you need to be rich to have a Brazilian. And also nonsense that it needs to be painful. You can get the same look with a bic razor and some cheap conditioner.

You can get serious painful infections from ingrown hairs that way. There is also a huge amount of itching and discomfort when the hair grows out. If you go to a salon, it's £30+ to have a Brazilian and you need it re-done probably on a monthly basis. You'd probably also struggle to get your bic-Brazilian perfected if you were 9 months pregnant.

It's no so much the cost, but the fact that this is presented as normal and normal for a heavily pregnant woman about to give birth. The Guardian vulva project showed us the range of what is 'normal' and very few of them look like Ms Perfect Brazilian in the textbook. And then we wonder why girls are so unhappy with their bodies and want to change them.

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Robin2323 · 10/02/2019 09:47

At first I thought over reaction.
But then I thought maybe not.
Not looked at biology book for 30 years but it looked ok at first to me. Same as usual. Just a pencil drawing.
At school 70's we girls were advised just to shave off any stray hair that may peak out the bikini (lol)
BUT my daughter used to shave the lot, though maybe because by that so did I - just prefayed it.

However l lived through the 'twiggy ' I used to feel my worth through being skinny.

Now through much more positive imagines promoted by years of work ,normal size healthy woman are acceptable.

Good example is Game of Thrones. (Yes I know there are some skinny women too)

But I feel more comfortable about my body than I ever have and deliberately put on 10 lbs about 3 years ago.

Look and feel better - thanks to good image promotion.

Fashion had a lot to answer for and 'waxing' is not away I would like to see it go.

On the program 'next supermodel ' they told them all
They 'had' to have a bazillion Hmm

Funkyfunkybeat12 · 10/02/2019 09:45

Family I haven't sent the email yet, but was going to use this address:

[email protected]

Hopefully they will tell me if it's the wrong one and give me an alternative to write to.

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HavelockVetinari · 10/02/2019 09:44

That is utterly indefensible. Angry

bigfluffy · 10/02/2019 09:43

FamilyOfAliens - I am genuinely interested in what you think. Sorry if you thought I was being defensive. I intend on showing them the image (and some others if I can find them) and asking them what they think of it. Then seeing where the conversation takes us.

bigfluffy · 10/02/2019 09:40

"No, but someone clearly either thought to themselves, and it clearly went through review with a specifically err.. manicured.. pubic hair illustration - someone drew that on purpose."

Yes of course, someone added it on purpose and it went through review. But was it to represent some pubic hair as more would detract from the purpose of the image? or was it because they thought a Brazilian was what women "should" have. The end effect is the same really I suppose.

I feel that the whole tone of the twitter post and some of the ones on here is that this was done as a disgusting, outrageous comment on women. I am sure that Pearson would welcome a discussion about the portrayal of women and their bodies in their textbooks. They are invested in educating young people after all.

Oxytocindeficient · 10/02/2019 09:37

You can get the same look with a bic razor and some cheap conditioner. and you can get painful ingrown hairs that way too....

FamilyOfAliens · 10/02/2019 09:35

FamilyOfAliens. How do you think I should frame it to them?

I have no idea. You’re the one who suggested asking the class, so presumably you already know how you’d get an answer that reflected honest opinions that weren’t influenced by what everyone else was saying and embarrassment at being seen as different. How do you normally ask such a question?

Crowdo · 10/02/2019 09:35

It's absolute nonsense that you need to be rich to have a Brazilian. And also nonsense that it needs to be painful. You can get the same look with a bic razor and some cheap conditioner.

Iused2BanOptimist · 10/02/2019 09:35

Whoops Sorry. My copy and paste from a different thread.
Apologies. Blush

Iused2BanOptimist · 10/02/2019 09:33

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bigfluffy · 10/02/2019 09:32

"And it's not just one textbook- this is part of a much wider problem"

I agree with you. I fully intend on having a good look through my textbooks on Monday to see if this is representative. I teach a different specification and also have a lot of much older books.

butteryellow · 10/02/2019 09:31

You think they had an in-depth discussion about the pubic hair on a single image?

No, but someone clearly either thought to themselves, and it clearly went through review with a specifically err.. manicured.. pubic hair illustration - someone drew that on purpose.

Like others - bald, because it's an anatomical diagram, or full bush would have been fine, but this continuous drip of girls seeing that their bodies aren't fine as they are is terrifically damaging.

As zigzag says, this would have been swiftly solved in my day by the kids drawing pubic hair on there.... but then we had mums in the 70s.

FamilyOfAliens · 10/02/2019 09:31

funky

Can you post the email address you used to complain to Pearson?

Oxytocindeficient · 10/02/2019 09:31

I remember Gabby Hoffman said after she appeared on TV Show Girls naked with natural pubic hair, people kept asking if they stuck on a hair piece. Her reply was, ‘ no, I grew it, that’s what pubic hair looks like’.

Seriously, people are not used to seeing pubic hair on women. It’s a problem.

bigfluffy · 10/02/2019 09:30

FamilyOfAliens. How do you think I should frame it to them?

Just so you know, I'm not talking about a class discussion where students will have to talk about this in front of classmates. I would never put my students in a position where they may feel uncomfortable. I intend on discussing it with my upper sixth form tutor group, all of whom are friends. A significant number are going on to study medicine so are comfortable with this kind of conversation.

Funkyfunkybeat12 · 10/02/2019 09:29

Bigfluffy I saw this on Twitter. I haven't read the whole textbook. There may well be 10 images in the book featuring Brazilian waxes, depending on how many diagrams of the female body there are.

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FamilyOfAliens · 10/02/2019 09:28

You asked people to find 10 more examples before you consider we have a “fight in our hands”.

So what did you mean if not that any number under that isn’t worth a fight?

Funkyfunkybeat12 · 10/02/2019 09:27

As a science teacher, of course I want images to be scientifically accurate. It is scientifically accurate. The woman they are depicting has chosen to have a Brazilian wax.

The point is, every image they see will have a Brazilian wax. This is the mantra they are fed- pubic hair is unnatural. The boys in their class will be watching porn, featuring either Brazilians or Hollywood waxes. They will no doubt be exposed to it themselves or watch it themselves. Every magazine image is airbrushed with not a pubic hair in sight. The TV shows they watch feature people around their age who have had numerous cosmetic enhancements. They might be pressured to send nude pictures to boys, knowing that these may be passed on. They will of course look to the images that they have been told are ideal.

They then also get told by their textbooks that this sort of grooming is the norm, not just for teens, but for adult women who are pregnant. At least when I was at school I did have a sense of a difference between the magazine images and what most normal women actually looked like. I think there is less and less of that these days.

And it's not just one textbook- this is part of a much wider problem, but I can't just let it lie and leave it unchallenged, because that would be validating it.

The fact that so many young women want to have surgery on their genitals is so disturbing. Is this really the world we want young women to grow up in?

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bigfluffy · 10/02/2019 09:26

FamilyofAliens

I didn't say that under 10 was fine.

FamilyOfAliens · 10/02/2019 09:26

How will you frame the question to them, bigfluffy?

Because that will determine their answer, especially to a teacher, and in front of their classmates.

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