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Sunday Times Front Cover. Trans Prison wings

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RedToothBrush · 09/02/2019 23:06

Well.

Sunday Times Front Cover. Trans Prison wings
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RedToothBrush · 09/02/2019 23:49

Also chatter on twitter about the Sunday Times having a story involving Gires...

Gires @giresuk
On 8th February, Nicholas Hellen, Assistant Editor (Social Affairs), The Sunday Times, again contacted GIRES. Whilst we clearly cannot comment on individual cases, see our response to the enquiry from the Sunday Times: Gires Response
@Mermaids_Gender

In reference to detransition rates.

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OlennasWimple · 09/02/2019 23:45

Psst - think that was meant for the Westminstenders thread Red Smile

Iused2BanOptimist · 09/02/2019 23:45

"Options now under consideration " ....

"A number of high risk trans inmates have already been moved back to men's prisons"...

Devil will be in the detail.

Anyway let's hope Huntley is among them.

Redshoeblueshoe · 09/02/2019 23:45

It's really not so difficult.
All we want to do is protect girls and women.
Let's keep single sex toilets, and disabled toilets, and have some gender neutral ones too.
Same for changing rooms
And sports
Blimey are things looking up ?

OlennasWimple · 09/02/2019 23:44

A transgender MTF wing, would be the sensible answer.

In which prison estate, though

I don't much care which estate they are in, provided that there is sufficient protection for the rest of the population (managed by segregated recreation time, for example, which would be normal practice anyway); that there are the appropriate facilities in the estate to support all the prisoners and their various needs; and prison staff are not required to search different sexed prisoners against their will (both the staff and prisoner's will, I mean - it's important both ways)

Datun · 09/02/2019 23:44

I would suggest that the growing numbers make this both feasible and desirable

^^This.

There are approximately 85,000 men in prison, of which about 12-14,000 are sex offenders.

If saying a few magic words is going to get you transferred to a female prison, I can't imagine why every single one of them wouldn't do it.

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RedToothBrush · 09/02/2019 23:42

Hopefully this means lots of discussion on the various radio & tv politics shows tomorrow

I expect there will be more about Phillip Green tbh, but I think this story fits in with that in the sense that its about voiceless women.

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OlennasWimple · 09/02/2019 23:41

I would suggest that the growing numbers make this both feasible and desirable

OccasionalKite · 09/02/2019 23:41

A transgender MTF wing, would be the sensible answer.

In which prison estate, though?

Redshoeblueshoe · 09/02/2019 23:41

Thanks titchy I can read that.
Yes common sense prevails

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RedToothBrush · 09/02/2019 23:40

You have to wonder why they didn’t think of this before really

Cost.

Then maybe they realised it'd be more expensive to deal with compensation claims...

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Datun · 09/02/2019 23:40

I'm tired and its been a LONG day.

Thank you, Red Brew (cocoa)

KenDoddsDadsDogsDead18 · 09/02/2019 23:39

Looks good! Can't wait to see page 2. Glad to see a story like this getting front page position. Hopefully this means lots of discussion on the various radio & tv politics shows tomorrow.

Datun · 09/02/2019 23:37

That looks very positive to me?

ToeToToe · 09/02/2019 23:37

I'm tentatively thinking this is very good news.

QuietContraryMary · 09/02/2019 23:36

The US has a transgender wing on their immigration detention centres.

www.pri.org/stories/2017-01-13/small-texas-town-new-private-detention-center-transgender-migrants-brings-jobs

HerRoyalNotness · 09/02/2019 23:35

You have to wonder why they didn’t think of this before really

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RedToothBrush · 09/02/2019 23:34

Apologies.

I'm tired and its been a LONG day.

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RedToothBrush · 09/02/2019 23:33

Beat me to it. And yes it is visable.

I think i was right the first time, then got confused. Its late.

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titchy · 09/02/2019 23:32

This visible?

Sunday Times Front Cover. Trans Prison wings
Redshoeblueshoe · 09/02/2019 23:29

Datun 🍷

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RedToothBrush · 09/02/2019 23:29

Sorry I'm doing this on my phone and it's not ideal. Give me 5.

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Datun · 09/02/2019 23:28

Sorry Red I'm agog.

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RedToothBrush · 09/02/2019 23:28

Sorry I'm misreading. Let me transcribe it

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Datun · 09/02/2019 23:26

Wait, what? Isn't that what they do now?