Guardian vulvas...

I’ve been holding this in all afternoon at work since I read that twitter at lunchtime so please excuse me..

BWAHAHAHA! Hahahaha. Haaaaaaaah. Omigod stop! Hehehe.
Ha ha.

..ahem, now, where we?

Rubbish grammatical typos, sorry!

www.thepoke.co.uk/2019/02/11/chap-tried-mansplain-difference-vulva-vagina-takedowns-brutal/

I'm loving this. While this is breaking the internet, thousands will be reading the article.

Yes there's a few issues - I was taken aback at the number of completely hairless vulvas and it's a shame one's had cosmetic surgery; it would be great to see all sizes. Then, yes ok a TW is in there. I would ultimately prefer all women.

Except, it's got us talking. And they've categorically stating that they can't claim womanhood. Or that she have a vagina. Not TWAW. Unlike sooooo many we know of.

Just brilliant.

brilliant thank you

I'm a Twitter novice so this might not be correct.

I saw that someone had been inspired to write a piece calling him a cunt (it's a vagina actually) but I've forgotten who it was!

mobile.twitter.com/paulbullen/status/1094738460475219968

can you link me to his thread, I need a laugh

He has a whole thread devoted to it

''I don’t consider it dumbing down. I consider the recent attempt to replace vagina with vulva as an affectation.''

Bless.

I kind of get what he claimed he meant, which is that in common parlance people do say vagina when they mean vulva.
However he should have wound his neck in rather than arguing the toss.

That was an awesome read. Was he also attempting to mansplain mansplaining? My head was hurting a bit there 🙄

That mansplainy man said he was going to come back today with diagrams to support his argument! Doubling down rather than saying 'oh yeah, you're right, I'm wrong'.

twitter.com/mauddromgoole/status/1094612574635810816

'Correctile dysfunction', apparently

Oh lord. Is there nothing that can’t be mansplained?

Oh ffs. Look at numpty, mansplaining vaginas to a gynecologist!

Interesting addition. I have no issue with stuff like this at all really, its these new 'magical thinking' 'bow down to my lady dick' style TRAs forcing their way into anything to do with women that piss me off.

This was fun on twitter - not seen it posted

I also appreciate the transwoman‘s honesty and perspective. It was good to see this contribution included.

Let’s be up front about this: I don’t have a vagina. I would describe mine as a neo-vagina. I’m not a real woman. I’d have loved to have been one, but that didn’t happen for me and I have to make do. I can’t claim womanhood. I have a different body to women, I have different biology, different needs, I grew up differently. I don’t think it should be something to feel embarrassed or shamed about. I’m a transwoman, and that’s fine by me.

I don't know this person but I respect them for their honesty and wish them all the best.

Yes - I saw the same reaction from men on a twitter thread about the economist who stripped on R4.

She looked perfectly normal and beautiful - would have made a wonderful Venus.

I liked this piece for various reasons. I'm relieved that the trans woman included was of a mind to carefully acknowledge the difference between her body and that of a biological woman but mostly I thought there was huge value in illustrating that no two fannies look the same. The comments the piece attracted on social media from (mostly young) men were an eye opener - horror and disgust being common - the result of some weird idea that they should all look porno perfect. Young women need to see this, to know that what they might see as imperfection is actually perfectly normal. That's important.

I loved this article. I completely agree with the idea of including a proportionate number of trans people - both with or without SR surgery. And I totally agree with PP that they should be included with their natal sex as that is the whole point.

The article is about being born with a particular set of genitals which are on the one hand as unique as a fingerprint and on the other hand belong to a sex class. How we feel about our own genitals is affected by unique life experiences and family backgrounds combined with how the wider social/cultural setting impacts people of your own sex class. Some people believe they have a gender identity which will also influence this. A trans person's experience of their own genitals and how they feel about them surely must make up part of their gender identity and is definitely part of the story for those few with body dysphoria (like the transwoman featured, whose story was fascinating and honest).

I liked the honest account by the 77 year old. We do not hear much from older people about things likes this.

Having a fanny does not make you a woman. If I had mine blown off tomorrow, I would still be a woman. If I had any bit blown of me off tomorrow I would still be a woman, even if it killed me deceased woman dressed in the one design fits anyone shroud

They are interesting though. Noses and ears are all different too. Ears, especially are a good thing to look at to see if your DTs are identical or not

My opinion of the cup cake vulva woman, was that she thought
"Oh, I might be featured in a photography project about vulvas.... Hmm, I'd better think of something to say.... uh, hmm... What can I say....?" and just came out with that because she'd been baking cupcakes that day. But she doesn't really think that at all.

It would have been more progressive to put the neovagina in the penis article

Oh yes, and that would also be biologically accurate,

In the "Me and my penis" series, the TW experience of their penis would be "I've had mine inverted to appear more feminine" and the TM experience in the "Vulva" series would be "I've had some arm flesh sewn onto my vulva to look something like a penis" (or whatever.)
That would be extremely progressive and reflect reality.

It's a brilliant artwork. The photographer sounds great.

Let's face it though, the Guardian never would have published this if a trans woman hadn't been included. I'm surprised there weren't more tbh.

I think that the trans woman included doesn't do much for the GC argument even this her argument is somewhat GC. She makes our argument look a bit silly and minimized since she's not exposing the problem at the center.