Womb transplants for trans women are a human right, says surgeon

If this becomes an actual 'thing', I will absolutely withdraw my consent to have my organs donated, if there is even the slightest chance it would be used in this fucked up Mary Shelley nightmare, I will have no part in it.

You have hospitals who will not reveal babies sex at a scan for fear of 'preferred sex' abortions, but you have dickheads like this surgeon happily going along with this dangerous, delusional Frankenstein shit that could result in the death not just of the TW, but any foetus they attempt to gestate unnecessarily.

Next, we will be hearing about vagina transplants. Remember, your read it here first

Eeeeurgh! Just read the study that said there's intestinal bacter ia inside the neovagina! What is the purpose of the neovagina? A flacid cavity, gathering bacteria and noself-cleaning like a vagina.

Someone I know recently needed the morning after pill. She’s breastfeeding and was told to pump and dump while she took it.

But pack a bloke full of hormones and that’s grand.

Just wanted to applaud this excellent post way upthread by FactsAreNotMean

Women:
-We're going to limit access to IVF, it'll be a postcode lottery as it costs so much/having a baby isn't a right/
-Don't eat pate/blue cheese/runny eggs/anything apart from organic knitted veg in case you damage the baby
-Don't drink
-Don't take medication. Even paracetamol should be used sparingly.
-^We don't know if that medication which we need to give you for is safe for baby/breastfeeding because it wouldn't be ethical for us to experiment
-You're selfish/lazy for wanting a c-section. They cost more money! Pregnancy is a choice, you selfish harridan^

Men:
-Take a shit ton of hormones to try and replicate the female system
-add in some anti-rejection drugs
-have a c-section
-take a tonne of drugs to try and induce milk
-pack a load of drugs in to your body which might transmit to baby. No ethics issues here
-Oh, an expensive transplant surgery, plus expensive IVF treatment..we can totally fund that!

Fuck that shit.

Perhaps this surgeon should more deeply consider the ethics of what he already does before advocating extending the range of ethically dubious (to put it mildly!) procedures?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/suicide-fears-from-scottish-council-on-human-bioethics-over-changing-gender-8mvkglccl?shareToken=2ff890f73accedfdc58d7efbefe63699

Was that the same poster as the one who claimed their vagina was better than a real one because it was tighter, cleaner and didn't smell like fish (paraphrasing them!!)

A 2009 study showed why this is unlikely to be the case.

Microflora of the penile skin-lined neovagina of transsexual women

wrongsideofhistorymyarse & coach

There have been a number of male transpeople who on Mumsnet FWR have sought to apppropriate women's experiences of infertility. It has been utterly crass and revealed they are devoid of empathy, compassion, respect or regard for anyone other than themselves.

It happened to me on the boards last year, it happens on other social media platforms more frequently.

On Victoria Derbyshire Show and Channel 4's Genderquake debate last year, prominant TRAs Rebecca Root and Munroe Bergdorf sought to appropriate the experience of women who have hysterectomies to similarly claim being a woman eg some women have hysterectomies as are still women, male transpeople who identify as trans women don't have a uterus either, therefore they are also women. Neither hosts, VD or Cathy Newman challenged these statements which as well as being disrespectful of women's experiences are also logically flawed.

There are many younger women disgnosed with gyny cancers (and other medical conditions) who have had to have a hysterectomy or treatments with cause infertility. As a consequence of these neccessary medical interventions any hopes to start a family are also often ended.

Hate to say it but this is where PC culture has taken us.

Or that it has been exploited by a men's rights movement?

Well she's of the belief this has already been done with another transwomans...I've yet to find any evidence of this.

It really hasn't. Or any other male person. As pp mentioned, Lili Elbe died in the attempt.

I suppose the placenta will materialize straight out of post-modern theory

Hate to say it but this is where PC culture has taken us.

better than a real vagina? There is only a real vagina! Or the pretend ones that try to be like an actual proper real one, but arent

Was that the same poster as the one who claimed their vagina was better than a real one because it was tighter, cleaner and didn't smell like fish (paraphrasing them!!)

Which goes to show how little that person actually know about vaginas. You know, those self-cleaning parts of a woman’s anatomy made of highly-elastic tissue supported by muscles (to allow contraction). If it smells like “fish” it is because of either an infection or leftover sperm residue.

But yeah, I guess it is is “better” to have an inverted penis, sometimes using colon tissue or peritoneal tissue (so speak about potential smells...), and skin grafts, that you need to dilate regularly for life and that is most definitely not self cleaning...he can have it.

I had a fertility troll pm me to say I was a shitty person and infertility was karma. The bellend.

The you've got a womb person was an exceptional me-railer. I'm glad they don't post here any more.

Thank you all for the kind words 💐

Was that the same poster as the one who claimed their vagina was better than a real one because it was tighter, cleaner and didn't smell like fish (paraphrasing them!!)

There were a few similar posts. One at least aimed at specific posters with fertility issues in order to goad/report/get deletions.

Really shitty behaviour.

*There was absolutely wrong with that mans fertility.

There was absolutely nothingbweon with Haman's fertility, how fucking sick. Sorry but that person is seriously deluded.

Coach

Oh I remember that! Definately a special sort of self-obsessiveness.

I had a transwoman on Mumsnet tell me their infertility was more painful than mine because at least I had a woman.This person had fathered children. FFS.

I remember that happening. Disgraceful.

coach

I do think that direct link needs to be stated emphatically, womb transplant = foetal experiments.

Ages ago I listened to a talk by one of the scientists who was involved in first sequencing the genome and I remember him saying that male and female breast tissue was very different at the genetic level. Just because men can grow breast tissue doesn't mean that their breasts are identical to females.

And to experiment on an infant?! I mean, for me, it tells you everything you need to know about who's welfare matters and who's doesn't.

Coach I’m sorry your friend is being such a dickhead. They are being particularly insensitive if you are in the midst of trying for a baby.

The one trans woman I know of who has recieved a womb was lili Elbe. Elbe died because his body rejected the womb.