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Womb transplants for trans women are a human right, says surgeon

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QuietContraryMary · 08/02/2019 22:14

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-women-should-entitled-womb-13972102

"Because once the medical community accept this as a treatment for cis-women with uterine infertility, such as congenital absence of a womb, then it would be illegal to deny a trans-female who has completed her transition.

"The most important step is the harvesting from the donor as great care is required to avoid damage to the arteries and veins supplying the uterus.
Trans females have a much narrower pelvis than cis-women of the same height, but there would still be room for them to carry a child.

“Supplemental hormones could be taken to replicate the changes that occur in the body when a woman is pregnant.

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Smotheroffive · 11/02/2019 18:29

. Although many men are excited at the prospect of bum fucking so they prefer that to vag perhaps? I mean, to thems that like it that way, its perfect, two bumholes!

CoachBombay · 11/02/2019 18:22

Well I'm in a better.mood today but now my.atomach has been turned slightly by the description of what a fake vagina is made out of 🤮

WeRiseUp · 11/02/2019 17:53

The colon does have a mucous lining and I imagine that unless some powerful antibiotics were used, it would retain its natural flora. The colon section is still a section of colon even if it has been severed and reattached elsewhere. In a sense, the person, rather than having a new vagina, has a second arsehole, disconnected from the eliminatory tract.

Datun · 11/02/2019 17:47

Well yes, okay that makes sense.

But I'm always hearing that if they use a bit of the colon, it smells off and secretes 'stuff'.

Which I've never understood.

WeRiseUp · 11/02/2019 17:46

Perhaps because they swap between penetration of the anus and the neovagina during sexual activity?

Datun · 11/02/2019 17:44

Well that's what I mean. And if you remove the shit from the bit of skin, why is it still in the bit of skin after you've fashioned it into a vagina?

WeRiseUp · 11/02/2019 17:38

Isn't it bacteria found in shit?

Datun · 11/02/2019 17:36

Thank you hipsterfun.

You'd think that would make it clear for me, wouldn't you? Unfortunately I think I'm being very dim about it. And I can't work out what E. faecalis is exactly, despite googling it.

Would you mind explaining it in the most basic layman terms you can think of?

Smotheroffive · 11/02/2019 15:44

Is there a link online calpop ?

calpop · 11/02/2019 15:26

I've just opted out of donor registration. No man is getting my sex-specific organs.

Smotheroffive · 11/02/2019 15:06

The thing is, the cervix and vagina, although referred to separately are one entity, the cervix is the equivalent to simply thickening in the middle. So cutting off the uterus, is like cutting off the hand and leaving the arm behind, but if you tree to reattach a hand to an arm that has no wrist (a very crude comparison, but they are all part of the whole but performing different functions. So trying to attach a uterus and cervix to a vagina where its full of blood vessels and is supposed to thin (eface) during labour to create one seamless baby delivery tunnel, seems beyond comprehension really!

Ohfuxx · 11/02/2019 14:32

This is some sick Dr Frankenstein shit Angry

Smotheroffive · 11/02/2019 14:30

The best and only vagina is... drumroll... an actual vagin just needed to add that extra bit

hipsterfun · 11/02/2019 14:23

The full write-up elaborates:

There was however a highly significant correlation between the presence of E. faecalis and sexual orientation: in heterosexual transsexual women (having a male partner) E. faecalis was present in 78.6% while it was only present in 14.2% of homosexual transsexual women and in 12.5% of bisexual transsexual women (p = 0.003). Equally there was a significant correlation between E. faecalis and the occurrence of regular coitus with a male partner: in those having regular coitus E. faecalis was present in 75% while in only 25% of those not having coitus (p = 0.027).

(Note the interesting use of ‘heterosexual’.)

It would be interesting to compare with standard-issue vaginas.

hipsterfun · 11/02/2019 14:12

Datun, I think it’s explained here:

There was however a highly significant correlation between the presence of E. faecalis on the one hand and sexual orientation and coitus on the other

hipsterfun · 11/02/2019 14:08

I'm sure I read somewhere that unlike the ovaries, age isn't much of an issue.

Crikey, I better review my registration.

reallyanotherone · 11/02/2019 14:08

You can do partial hysterectomies that leave the cervix, so yes, you can remove the cervix from the uterus

I realise that, i’d be suprised if removing the cervix would leave a uterus with any sort of function, let alone able to be transplanted and carry a child.

My understanding of transplanting organs is limited, but generally the more of the surrounding tissue you have the better. Which is why heart/lung transplants are easier than just heart, kidneys need ureters and as much of the blood vessels etc as possible.

So I would have thought a uterus transplant would automatically include major blood vessels, fallopian tubes, cervix and probably vagina. Just thinking of the necessary attachments. If you remove the fallopian tubes and cervix you’ve nothing left to work with, and I doubt simply stitching up 3 holes will work.

misscockerspaniel · 11/02/2019 14:04

Reallyanotherone The "leading British surgeon" is quoted in the Daily Mirror as saying:
"The actual "plumbing in" is straightforward...With a uterus transplant in a trans-female, the neovaginal would be opened at the pelvic end to accept the donor womb. And the same procedure is used in a cis-female transplant with the donor uterus being attached to the native vagina".

Ereshkigal · 11/02/2019 14:01

My uterus is past it for transplants, but were I a younger woman I’d want to opt out of donating it.

I'm sure I read somewhere that unlike the ovaries, age isn't much of an issue.

Datun · 11/02/2019 14:01

Eeeeurgh! Just read the study that said there's intestinal bacter ia inside the neovagina!

Can someone explain this to me?

Is intestinal bacteria a result of faecal matter? Which surely will be cleaned off any bit of intestine that they are going to be using?

I've never quite understood this bit.

FeministCat · 11/02/2019 13:59

You can’t remove the cervix from the uterus.

You can do partial hysterectomies that leave the cervix, so yes, you can remove the cervix from the uterus. The rhetoric on this so far is often about woman (including trans man) donating their uterus as live donors and so far I have not seen it get as crazy as suggesting they also trade in their vagina (not to day it is not coming as another “right” trans women should have - the right to a woman’s own vagina).

MostlyBoastly · 11/02/2019 13:55

How much of a male-mindset do you need to think that a tighter, better scented neo-vagina equates to a better vagina. It doesn’t exist for men FFS. The best vagina is... drumroll... an actual vagina.

hipsterfun · 11/02/2019 13:53

My uterus is past it for transplants, but were I a younger woman I’d want to opt out of donating it.

Men can fuck right off, and I’m not sure I’d be happy donating to a woman either if there might be potential for exploitation of egg/embryo donors.

reallyanotherone · 11/02/2019 13:46

Next, we will be hearing about vagina transplants. Remember, your read it here first grin

Tbf, i kind of assumed the whole kit and caboodle would be transplanted. Transplanting just the uterus doesn’t make sense, it would be transplanted along with the cervix and vagina. You can’t remove the cervix from the uterus.

Smotheroffive · 11/02/2019 13:39

Mee too on the organ transplant...withdrawing consent now. Fuck that shit! I don't want any part of my female body involved in risking future babies lives, pregnancy and childbirth (and ebf) are hard enough on a woman and baby, potentially life threatening and take such a toll already without forcing it to happen in an alien environment supported by numerous drugs that cause problems of their own.

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