Womb transplants for trans women are a human right, says surgeon

Surely, a would-be donor should be given the opportunity to opt out in writing, on the consent form, eg to say that they do not give their consent for their reproductive organs to be donated?

Reassuring that a 'novel transplant' would require specific permission in addition to be on the donors list. I'd hate to have to take my name off it, but like donating eggs, I'm not willing to risk participating (even very tentatively in theory) in the creation of a child I will have no contact with and have no means of ensuring the care and wellbeing of, and absolutely not to participate in the creation of a child for the purpose of medical experimentation and social justice.

When does ‘novel’ become ‘not novel’? Would there be an announcement?

Also there's the fundamental issue of whether anyone has the right to have a baby. Should this burden be on the NHS for something some people argue isn't a necessity to a healthy life

This new surgical stuff could come in handy if there’s ever a shortage of women.

Novel transplants

I get the feeling there was lots of eye rolling in the office when they saw the newspaper article

I've asked the NHS Organ Donor team how women can opt out.

I got this reply

(1/2) Hi Jean, when you consent to Opt-In for organ and tissue donation when you join the ODR, this does not include consent for womb donation or these types of novel transplants...

(2/2) At the time of death families will be asked to give specific agreement for these novel organs, this is why we encourage donors to make their friends and family aware of their decisions.

We hope this helps - Jasmine.

#BeSureToTellYourFriendsAndFamily

I've quizzed further and said that women should have the option to state this up front and not rely upon others to do it after their death.

What about all the baby fetishists...the men that like to wear nappies; puberty reversals next?

Ridiculous nonsense. What possible reason (besides a man wanting to try..and god forbid men don't get what they want) would there ever be to ever try this? No doubt it will be tried though, as male wants are all, fuck ethics, fuck the health of the fetus, fuck everything besides what the bepenised one wants.

Sounds much safer yes, and still get a reasonable 'look'. Plastic surgery can do a good job.

To me having the surgery to asthetically look female and negate the internal part makes sense and sounds safer for the patient!

They use a thicker part of the colon apparently - ouchy - as there's less bleeding!! Lots have the vulvoplasty and penectomy (nullification) without the flesh pocket!

Forget what I said about nullos, a neovulva can be created sans neovagina: www.grsmontreal.com/en/surgeries/male-to-female/2-vaginoplasty-without-vaginal-cavity.html

IDoN0tCare it is sad, it's not a great outcome even when it is aesthetically acceptable.
I've read nullos have orgasmic capacity provided some penis stump is left, if a cock and balls provides that much dysphoria that's an option some surgeons provide (just removal of male genitalia). Makes more sense to me than an easily damaged neovagina that needs dilation regularly. If it's about being a receptive sexual partner presumably a neovagina is as fragile as a rectum anyway.
There's also the option to retain the penis and have a neovagina constructed behind it, in the perineum area, apparently. I'm hoping that was just trolling, but as it's the US and you get whatever you can pay for there, who knows?

There are comments all over about having neovagina sex.

One guy hadn't realised (in Thailand) for four months, I reckon he'd never had sex with a woman! Surely!?
But he was very keen to refer to the individual and not her she, or him he, but it and individual

Theres high incidence of bladder infectons and problems

This is all very sad for the patient ultimately, it really does sound like the emperor's clothing doesn't it?

It's just going to lead to further medical intervention, more treatment, probably more pain and ultimately disappointment in some form.

Is the most common, but theres no secreting or contraction, or flexing, only six months of manual dilating to stop it contracting down. Alternative is colon, which heavily secretes bowel mucus for many months.

I feel sorry for anyone wanting this done. Apparently in Thailand the colon surgery is more common, but it does carry greater risks!! And leaves an abdominal scar.

there's a detailed animation surgical procedure showing the MTF vaginoplasty

😱 giant hairballs stuck inside you festering bacteria and dirt. This sounds horrific, how does one even retrieve the hair or remove it of its growing internally? What do they doing veet it with a shoe horn?

That’s actually very sad, isn’t it, FlyingOink. Those poor people being sold a falsehood.

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It's not self cleaning. In the US in particular, where a large percentage of men are circumcised as babies, some neovagina surgery uses shaft skin and ball skin that is hairy. (Shaft skin being hairy because of the removed foreskin, when it's done on a baby it's really guesswork as to how big the adult penis will be so hair gets pulled along the shaft, and ball skin because without the foreskin there isn't enough skin otherwise). So hair can grow inside the neovagina even if electrolysis is done prior to surgery.

I read an account (NSFW and not posting screenshots) of a post-op transwoman who regretted surgery and found that a big hairball was formed inside the neovagina which eventually had to be fished out (hair had been pulled out by dilation I think?)

It was not a pleasant read. I'm sure results differ from surgeon to surgeon and I imagine someone who had a large uncircumcised penis would have a better aesthetic result.
It's hard to know how common certain side effects or unwanted features of a neovagina are because other than places like Reddit you don't see much conversation about the physical aspects in an anonymous format. And most people don't want to advertise publicly that their genitals are malfunctioning, unclean, uncomfortable or look odd, no matter what they identify as, so anonymous commenting is about it.
Maybe all the Reddit commenters are undercover GC women, and there are no ill effects. I doubt that though.

Amongst the issues with bacteria and what not, obviously our vaginas are self lubricating and elastic and can expand to accommodate all different shapes and sizes...how does what I can only describe as a "internal flesh pocket" even attempt to do this? How do they stop the flesh pocket healing up? What if the flesh pocket rips? How do they clean the flesh pocket?

I have so many questions, but I don't want to Google it and have it on my history on this device...lol 😳

There was however a highly significant correlation between the presence of E. faecalis and sexual orientation: in heterosexual transsexual women (having a male partner) E. faecalis was present in 78.6% while it was only present in 14.2% of homosexual transsexual women
Is this because the neovagina owner is a former penis owner and therefore has no idea that swapping between the two is a bad idea?
I should imagine it's another health risk suffered by young women coerced into anal as per previous threads too.

*life-threatening

The bacteria is pathogenic, and lived threatening to any immuno compromised. Its also the main infection in bladder infections. Even having root canals, etc, not just those on dialysis or with HIV or chemo etc.

Really not want you want your vagina.