Womb transplants for trans women are a human right, says surgeon

My god Coach. Every day the TRAs seem to plumb new depths, aided by our increasingly ridiculous police.

DH has just asked me how long it is going to be before the police knock at our door for my science-based thoughts.

Apologies my paragraphs disappeared!!!! 😳

Good evening all, thank you for your support and I do not wish to go "public" for personal safeguarding reasons that far outweigh anything else.

Today I have spoken on multiple occasions to the local police force, and tomorrow have a meeting with someone at the station regarding the whole fiasco.

I have been assured that there is now nothing on my criminal record, and I have sent an e-mail to my local MP regarding it, who has been quite responsive and we are arranging a meeting next week.

I'm not going to "let it lie" but I think some constructive meetings and a more quieter approach is serving me well right now.

I do know that the "report" has come from the other end of the country, and was submitted with "falsified" screen shots.

Screen shots of the actual account have been taken by the police, and the CPS are now involved regarding the other party who made the fake screen grabs and report.

I have had quite a few apologies today but I'm not accepting them as such till I can push somewhat for change or at least get my objection well documented.

It would appear that a TRA from God knows where is editing social media posts and then calling them in as a hate crime. Apparently I'm not the first to fall victim to this person's behaviour.

More fool them because technically I am the victim of malicious behaviour now. I am awaiting news over the upcoming weeks from the CPS on what action will be taken as I've made both a statement and a victim statement regarding last night's events.

So slowly but surely I'll get there.

the flip side is rape victims and abuse survivors should now be treated seriously in every case.

Hands up anyone who thinks that will now happen?

Also, how many times do we know that various police forces have told people reporting actual crimes that there's 'nothing they can do' or the complainant is given a 'crime number' and that's the end of it?

Difference is, “hate crimes” tend to have a named suspect. That means it can’t be written off like in cases of theft where they have no clue who did it and no practical leads to find out who did.

If a suspect is identified then they have to gather the evidence available, take statements etc from both sides before deciding to write it off (or not).

It’s an extension of “we believe you”. If someone alleges a crime, be it rape, domestic violence, or anti trans “hate”, then it must be recorded as a crime and treated as such. The “victim” is believed, in every case.

Yes it’s crap for everyone in some cases. But the flip side is rape victims and abuse survivors should now be treated seriously in every case.

@CoachBombay

Please push back. These vexatious allegations are being used to push up 'hate incidents' to justify increased funding for diversity training and expansion for the likes of Stonewall and Mermaids. The sooner this is exposed the better.

appears they contacted you to talk about your 'hate crime' without even seeing what you were supposed to have said

I know we mention Orwell and Huxley quite a bit, but some of this is needing a Kafka reference too.

Maybe instead of sending coppers on 3-day Mermaids courses they should be spending a few hours being taught common fucking sense.

This.

Also, how many times do we know that various police forces have told people reporting actual crimes that there's 'nothing they can do' or the complainant is given a 'crime number' and that's the end of it?

Coach

What a miserable & angering thing to happen to you. Glad it worked out OK.

If it was me, I would be complaining to all & sundry, including the fact that it appears they contacted you to talk about your 'hate crime' without even seeing what you were supposed to have said
The whole thing is fucking outrageous, but to take someone's word as to what was said, ie written down, on SM without even asking to see it is appalling.

Maybe instead of sending coppers on 3-day Mermaids courses they should be spending a few hours being taught common fucking sense.

Coach Your visit has made it on to twitter - just seen this message to you -

@robjessel

I'm not on Mumsnet, obvs, but if anyone else is, perhaps they could contact the OP and ask whether they're interested in joining the group to protest at the Police Federation annual conference in May? Not necessarily to attend, but to provide moral support / comment?

Thanks R0.

Yes I remember James (FTM) said "we need the stats".

Times article by Elizabeth Burden January 24 2019
'Principal backs transgender students over ‘hurtful’ stickers'
(extract)
She claimed that transgender activists encouraged people to report individual stickers as hate crimes to maximise the number of alleged offences. On Facebook last November, James Morton, the Scottish Trans Alliance (STA) manager, responding to a comment on the Edinburgh stickers, said: “Please log it by reporting on the Police Scotland online hate crime form. We need the stats.” Vic Valentine, a policy officer for STA, said: “If people feel distressed by transphobic stickers, we encourage them to report [it] to police. We want to improve trans people’s confidence in approaching the police.”

Kai O’Doherty, the Edinburgh University Students’ Association’s vice-president for welfare, said the stickers were “not only hurtful to trans people, but are clear violations of policies against harassment and discrimination”. (continues)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/principal-backs-transgender-students-over-hurtful-stickers-9jpztg2tz?shareToken=d88353c4898053a91393d93358861e98

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3488212-The-Times-Edinburgh-Uni-principle-to-discipline-transphobic-stickerwoman

This call to report was made explicitly by James Morton (influential TRA in Scotland) and recorded in an article. I will try and find it later.

Yes I remember James (FTM) said "we need the stats".

I think some of this is deliberate. Complain to the police. Reported "hate crimes" rise. Ergo more resources are needed, more Mermaids training is needed, more Stonewall diversity advice is commissioned and there is a general impetus to prioritise measures to reduce hate.
Definitely. Hate crime reported anonymously to organisations (plus maybe the org adds on another 25% for good measure, not like anyone checks) and police reports for spurious complaints generate the headlines.

"Anti-mumsnetter hate crime soars by 40%"
-Has it?
-Hang on, let's look at the arrest/charge/conviction stats.
-They're not up 40%! The police aren't doing their jobs! We have a crisis! More funding/training/let's have a Mumsnet outreach officer or twelve!

And the 40% was never real but the outcome is.

Sorry I haven't been back to this thread for awhile - needed a break from the cray cray

www.organdonation.nhs.uk/register-to-donate/refuse-to-donate/refuse-donation-form/

This is where I withdrew my consent for organ donation. Don't know how binding it is but seems official.

And talking about the DM, this article was in there today

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6701537/Tell-truth-pill-Demand-women-say-lives-blighted.html

Something for women who suffer from depression and who are on the pill to consider. There is also a report on academic research links teenage use of marijuana, and later MH problems.

The point being is that almost any drug carries risks. To some extent I don't care about anyone who wants to go all "Danish Girl" and risk a womb implant. But what about the fetus who will be subject to high levels of drugs and artificial hormones at the most crucial stages of development. Poor Frankenbabies. I am not perfect and rolled my eyes at midwife advice not to drink coffee or alcohol, or eat blue cheese or ready meals, though in fairness morning sickness was natures way of preventing me from eating very much at all. Yes IVF and preventing miscarriage will cause some people to take more drugs than they would like. But who on earth thinks it would be in a child's best interest to bathe them in drugs from the start and through the whole process, simply to treat some form of body dysphoria in the would be parent.

I think some of this is deliberate. Complain to the police. Reported "hate crimes" rise.

This call to report was made explicitly by James Morton (influential TRA in Scotland) and recorded in an article. I will try and find it later.

Its likely to be used as 'proof' for the narrative that transphobia is on the increase in UK because terfs, Govt. consultation, media discussing issues etc

Coach, if you can bear it, you should contact the man at the Mail on Sunday who wrote the article last weekend that went viral about the woman who was held in a police cell for 7 hours for something she wrote on twitter.

I think some of this is deliberate. Complain to the police. Reported "hate crimes" rise. Ergo more resources are needed, more Mermaids training is needed, more Stonewall diversity advice is commissioned and there is a general impetus to prioritise measures to reduce hate.

Power and control.

Parts of the media have worked this out and will be only to keen to publish. Whether anyone would want to be in the DM is a different matter.

Fuck me, what shit am I reading? is it April fool's day???

“Meanwhile it’s highly unlikely that a trans female would give birth naturally, but would be delivered via Caesarian section in order to safeguard the child.”

No shit, Sherlock! A trans woman has no fucking vagina! How could they give birth 'naturally'?

And 'in order to safeguard the child'?? Nothing about trying to transplant a womb into a man is about safeguarding the child. It's all about the man's feelings. Eugh.

I honestly depair.

I fucking shit you not, I have been reported to the police for a hate crime for discussing the ethics of all this.... Once the police spoke to me the officer decided it was nothing, and I was quite able to question the ethics of experimental medicine....

You need to follow up on this because that will be on file as a ‘talked to’ incident. You need to check if it’s been filed as a hate incident. If someone else complains about you this could be linked and escalated.

I have asked for feedback, the officers said it has been a false allegation against me and no further action will be taken.

The Police need to start considering further action against those who are making vexatious and false allegations.
The Police have the legal apparatus to do this. Isn't wasting Police time, perverting the course of justice etc
www.inbrief.co.uk/offences/wasting-police-time/

I fucking shit you not, I have been reported to the police for a hate crime for discussing the ethics of all this.... Once the police spoke to me the officer decided it was nothing, and I was quite able to question the ethics of experimental medicine....

This world has literally gone mad!!!

Coach It has

Well I think a false allegation is a hate crime so would want that investigated. They've said something about you that isn't true, haven't they, because of your beliefs and who you are? Hate crime