Womb transplants for trans women are a human right, says surgeon

As long as both parties are happy, I think it's fine

the male race

crikey

I'm pretty sure males and females are both part of the human race

I know it doesn't always feel like it, but....

Don't donate your womb then!

Womb implantation into men is illegal. So not a trans right. At all.

no body has a right to have a child, that's for sure

Datun

That is an extreme generalisation of the male race

Don't donate your womb then! And the discussion isn't about whether the earth has too many people or not - it's about what trans rights and what are not.

daisyscott

Someone really wanting something, isn't a good enough reason.

Men can become (potential) parents in literally one second flat. They don't need to spend precious time, resources and take mammoth risks with a foetus in order to do it.

Plus autogynephilia is a condition where one of the characteristics is arousal over the thought of oneself being pregnant.

Under Stonewall's definition of transgender, this condition is accepted.

Most men who yearn to be parents do not get excited over the thought of being pregnant.

I don't buy any of it.

You can't advocate for extreme pornography on the one hand and wanting to lower the legal age of the people in it, and get misty eyed over being pregnant the next.

The two thoughts are incompatible.

There's a big ethical difference between donating a kidney from my dead body and donating my womb. One enables another person to come off dialysis, and will probably extend that person's life for several years. The other might enable that person to bring another life into the world. I'm very sympathetic to people with fertility problems; it must be agonising to want to have a child and not be able to have one. But we have a population crisis on Earth as it is. I don't see any pressing reason to develop womb transplants woman to woman, never mind woman to man, given how expensive and dangerous it is. I'd rather the money and ingenuity went to solve some of the more humdrum medical problems we face.

Regarding organ donation, if you've passed and your uterus is no longer in use, why not donate it to someone else who really wants it? Makes no difference to you

Fae is wrong about the most likely donor being the grandmother of the putative child born via a donated uterus. The mostly likely match would be a sibling, due to the genetics of the MHC.

Scientific errors eh? who'd have thought it.

Oh bowl. And I absolutely would not put it past Jane to put have that in deliberately.

Meanwhile, in the Mumsnet forums, I see the transphobes declaring, already, that they would rather no part of their body ever be available for transplant that a trans woman might benefit from. This is futile.

Um, it's not futile, it's illegal.

Having a womb and giving birth don't make you a woman, I expect one of them to declare around 2030.

No, Jane - cutting a uterus out of a woman, getting another woman's eggs and another man's sperm together inside it, and drugging a male individual to the point of insanity, in order to implant it into his body - doesn't make you a woman.

Dear God. All this ^^ when you can just ejaculate instead.

Ugh.

“Get up and grab a tissue?!”

Like Jane doesn’t have a box of Mansize Kleenex by the side of the computer at all times.

this is the point where I stop writing in order to stand up, make a cup of tea and – yes – grab a tissue.

I hope Jane wipes up after themselves.

Oh... crying..?

Yes, yes of course.

No indeed never queen of the prom, really who cares, pointless even commenting poor poor poor all of us women who were never queen of the prom. We think about that lots and need to write about it, not, ever!
Never dated Hugh Jackman, fgs, what is this drivel. The while of womankind frequently lose themself as a result of that thought, never thought by anyone, only in the sense of being a celeb fan, or weird creepy stalker.

Fourth wall?! Yes, so be a man, in a patriarchal society, and demand rights over baby lives, despite the appalling risk that puts babies at. Cos your emotional well-being (entitlement) trumps a babies life.

No, never!

Note that Jane says the first womb transplant to a non-trans woman has already been made. So now this minuscule group is the reference point by which all women are to be judged. There are transwomen and there are non-transwomen.

As for Jane's sensitivity and thoughtfulness towards Jane's children, let's not forget that by Jane's own testimony, having finally come to the decision that Jane was going to transition, Jane broke the news to Jane's wife and daughter immediately, even though the daughter had an AS exam the next day.

At times, the thought alone was enough to reduce me to howling incoherence in a way that most things don't. Never queen of the prom? Pfft! Who cares? Never dated Hugh Jackman? A tragedy! For him, of course. But never a mother? It is difficult even to type that and ... fourth wall break ... this is the point where I stop writing in order to stand up, make a cup of tea and – yes – grab a tissue.

Aww. Poor Jane. Reduced to tears over the fact that men can't gestate.

Such sensitivity.

Now was it about extreme pornography? That it is designed to leave the viewer in serious doubt as to whether the injuries to the women's breasts, vagina and anus are authentic or not.

Plus Jane advocates for lowering the age of the participants.

My oestrogen levels regularly nudge those of the average pregnant person:

Pregnant woman, Jane.

The ones whose breasts, anuses and vaginas are to be as realistically injured as possible so that men can become aroused.

Tut.

Wow! So there you go kids! The person you previously knew as your father doesn’t love you as much as they would, if they had given birth to you. That must make the children feel loved and secure, because watching their father come out as trans didn’t already tuck them up.

oh god that was a load of mawkish bobbins

extreme porn advocate Jane Fae makes my flesh creep

Not merely fathering a child

yay for Jane's children! feeling so pleased to have jane as a father right now I expect!

www.independent.co.uk/voices/trans-pregnancy-transgender-womb-transplant-women-uterus-transphobia-motherhood-a8784536.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true

I fear many lives will be lost in the higher interests and supposed needs of men.

All this talk is, currently, around something that illegal

The hcg production is shared, initially its produced by the fertilisation process and after first trimester the DM takes over production, which is when all the yukky bits of the first trimester usually pass.

Its noticeable that in the Daily Mail article the rights, needs and welfare of any potential feotus or baby are not discussed. THe focus is on adults' rights, focus and needs eg medics, lawyers, campaigners and transpeople etc

My understanding is that the reasons why UK surrogacy laws are being contested is that they place a much higher focus and centre on the needs, welfare and rights of the child than other countries' surrogacy laws eg US.

Ali I don't know, can the male pturity gland signal the production of HCG? It's not produced by the ovaries I don't think, and it's the crucial hormone needed.

If it doesn't how are they going to decided on the level of HCG required to dose the patient with, because every woman produces different levels of HCG to sustain a pregnancy, and each pregnancy for the same woman won't have the same set HCG levels. So would it be a guessing game?🤷

In the study cited, the women had their ovaries and tubes removed as well as their uterus. Would this increase the likelihood of a successful outcome if implanted into another female?

I agree with PP the study was looking at the quality of the donor organs and not considering recipients.