Womb transplants for trans women are a human right, says surgeon

Thanks. @Ancient and @Humber

I am sorry for being shouty. I know I am not the first or last woman this will happen to. Ancientnis your sister doing ok right now? It’s a fucking minefield

Actually I wonder if, as a result of trans wome receiving hormone treatment, there will be an increase in IBC and other hormone related cancers? Oh the irony... I bet there will be better education, diagnostic tools and treatment if men start getting it 🤬

London shout away! Totally understand your anger.

Glitterstick it's not possible as things stand at the moment. Pregnancy is increasingly being discovered to be a whole body process, rather than just something that takes place within the reproductive system, so even if an actual implant could be safely performed a succesful pregnancy would be a different matter.

it's highly unlikely that a trans female would give birth naturally

Highly unlikely? I'd have thought it'd have been impossible more like.
Pushing through the birth canal etc? How?!

LMAO... 'I also worry greatly about the pressure on young trans men to have hysterectomies, as there's already a research article that blithely talks about these young people as potential donors for trans women.' And you claim not to be transphobic... seriously why are you worried at all? How is going to affect you? It has nothing to do with you and it won't affect you in the slightest.

Forgive my ignorance here, but I thought that a site called 'mumsnet' (a) presumes that you have a child - which I do.
(b) is aimed at supporting mothers with their children (hence 'mum')
(c) isn't really supposed to be out feminism at all... but while we are talking about feminism, don't you think that you are going for the wrong people here? Surely the entire idea is to remove the patriarchy and replace it with an equal society... or a matriarchy if you like. Going after a tiny minority, trans people is kind of missing the point of feminism. The people who need taking down are not the ones wanting to chop off their bits. Focusing on transwomen is playing into the hands of the patriarchal chauvinists. While you are all attacking the least threatening people, the ones who cause real damage to women are laughing at you. Attacking trans people is a waste of time, energy, and resources. You should be concentrating on attacking men who think it is fine to let their hands wonder. The ones who think it is fine to groom little girls. The ones who think they have a right to rape a woman simply because they are married to them. The ones who like to get 'physical' and use women as punch bags. The ones who treat you like you have nothing valuable to say or contribute, the ones who think you are just a hole to be used. Those are the ones who need bringing down, those are the ones who are dangerous. Not a bunch of transpeople who would probably help us bring down the dangerous men in this world if we only showed them a bit of compassion.

But... go ahead and bully the most vulnerable group in society if it makes you feel better about yourselves. I am pretty sure it is not transpeople who are bullying you and keeping you down. That's a different breed of person... that's the kind of person who calls themselves, 'A 'real' MAN' not the kind who calls themselves 'a woman'.

You need a lesson in feminism if you think attacking transpeople is going to win women a position of true power, equal to men.

London and Martin - strength to you both

it's highly unlikely that a trans female would give birth naturally
More like impossible. A 'neovagina' (or whatever they're calling it now) is not able to stretch or contract in the way that a vagina does. It's almost as if the vagina has been 'designed' specifically to expel a baby from the body. Oh wait ...

Really the problem with transplanting penises is how could you choose an aesthetically pleasing one. The choice is almost certainly poor.

I don't get how that would work. It wouldn't be as "easy" as "just" transplanting a womb, surely?
I mean you'd need the right "plumbing" for starters, for want of a better word.
Placentas and all that and the ability for your body to grow a baby?
Hmm.

Oooh, I'll have the Unicorn and chips please. Sorry? Oh, rare please, no marinade.

Surgeon Christopher Inglefield, founder of the London Transgender Clinic , says a successful uterus implant into a trans-female is achievable today.

I think, in medical ethics, that is what is known as a ^conflict of interest*.

“Because once the medical community accept this as a treatment for cis-women with uterine infertility, such as congenital absence of a womb, then it would be illegal to deny a trans-female who has completed her transition.

Oh my, the narcissism. If TWAW then it’s illegal to deny them uterus transplants.

Anyway - it’s all bollocks, clearly. I’m not sure a transplant will ever be the first line treatment for female infertility.

This was funny. Except it’s really not funny:

“Meanwhile it’s highly unlikely that a trans female would give birth naturally, but would be delivered via Caesarian section in order to safeguard the child.”

Oh, first mention of safeguarding the child!

Men think they are entitled to female body parts shocker!

Fuck me. There are no words.

So we have trans woman and cups women. Do men have a 'sub category ' ? Doubt it.

HuffyPuffy so sorry. My sister had that.

It'll be very interesting, if this nonsense goes ahead, to see what happens with pre-eclampsia in these 'trans females' as the surgeon calls them. I think it's generally thought to be caused by the maternal body rejecting the fetus, so a male body that has received a uterus would surely have rejection problems? More drugs given I imagine. Poor babies.

What are they going to plumb it into?

Thanks Gerry and Martin (loving the irony of your names 😂😂😂)

London

I swear I am making sure that my donor wishes state that my (currently cancer free) uterus is not up for grabs. It hasn’t even given me kids. No fucking Way is it being transplanted into a man.

London 💐💐💐💐💐💐

Sorry for typos. Am a touch mad.

london

This surgeon works here: www.thelondontransgenderclinic.uk

That’s it. I have peaked. I am totally fuckjng done with trans rights. Done.

Is this surgeon fucking serious?

I am sitting here with stage 4 Inflammatory Breast Cancer. I probably have a maximum of 5 years left. If I am lucky. There is very little research into IBC in the UK. IBC is a disease which predominantly affects women. I understand that it is theoretically possible for bio men to get IBC but not the type that I have, since it is predetermined by my hormones. There is no cure. It is impossible to screen for. It doesn’t present as a lump. Once symptoms arise the disease is always already stage 3. I was unlucky enough to be stage 4 by the time it was diagnosed.

I am in the middle of chemo which is brutal. If the chemo shrinks the mass enough I MIGHT have a mastectomy. More likely I will be on chemo or endocrine therapy for the rest of my short life (I am 45) just to manage this fucking disease. A disease which ONLY AFFECTS WOMEN AND WHICHBIS POORLY RESEARCHED AMD POORLY RESOURCED. Aorru for shouting. I am a little bit cross.

And some idiot surgeon wants to waste resources looking at ‘plumbing in’ a uterus into a man because it is theoretically possible and to do otherwise would be illegal?! Because a trans man may wish to have a baby?! This is grotesque. Fuck off. Just fucking fuck off.

Peaked.

Transwomen aren’t missing any organs. Some of them just think they should be able to demand the ones they don’t have. Sorry, no.

Why aren’t transmen demanding cadaver penis transplants? Wouldn’t it be easier to just transplant a cock and balls rather than fashion one out of a vagina?

I’m sure there are cases where men have had penises reattached after accidental amputation..

How many men do you reckon would be up for donating?

Why is it always about transwomen?

Sorry bit cross there...dealing with the after effects of birth 30 yrs on...I am one of the women with the TVT tape inside me...and it's all gone a bit downhill. And I am pissing myself again