Womb transplants for trans women are a human right, says surgeon

"Isn`t becoming"?

And are you in the US? Trump and the alt-right aren`t really the main concern in the UK.

But, youve said your piece now, so youre off. Ta ta for now.

"wouldn't it be good if they could do that kind of surgery in the future. Perhaps they can't do it just yet, but imagine the possibilities if they could do it. Do you think a gender fluid society might finally rid us of our bondage to the patriarch?"

Do you know why you're not getting comments like that? Because they would be incredibly naive, gullible, trite and so on.

*Forgive my ignorance here, but I thought that a site called 'mumsnet...
(c) isn't really supposed to be out feminism at all... *

Such sexism. And yet on another thread you accuse feminists of upholding gender.

Doesn't your head ache?

Just read the newstory. Yikes and double yikes. Those doctors really do need to rethink their career choices and consider why they went into medicine.

@LondonHuffyPuffy but they're not being trampled over nor eroded. If transwomen are women then their rights are the same. Women's rights are being trampled over by the alt-right and people like Trump. Men in power who think they can do what they like to women. This whole trans thing is just a waste of time and energy. Let's not pretend that this isn't a transphobic post. I'm not getting any, 'oh wow, wouldn't it be good if they could do that kind of surgery in the future. Perhaps they can't do it just yet, but imagine the possibilities if they could do it. Do you think a gender fluid society might finally rid us of our bondage to the patriarch?' What I'm getting is clear transphobic vibes.

Arguing with you is the same, a waste of time and energy. The real fight isn't here and it isn't against trans people. SO I am not going to comment anymore... I've said what I wanted to say. I hope you wake up and join the real fight because this transphobic rubbish isn't becoming... it is certainly not feminism.

And, @Jazzbunny... lastly this:
But... go ahead and bully the most vulnerable group in society if it makes you feel better about yourselves

Are you kidding me?! The majority of TRAs who will jump on this ‘medical advice’ are middle class, educated white men. They are NOT the most vulnerable group in society.

Go tell that to young non-white gay women and see how they feel about being told there are middle class white men who are more vulnerable than them

But... go ahead and bully the most vulnerable group in society if it makes you feel better about yourselves
The most vulnerable group? Are you mad?
Men who have experienced male entitlement declare themselves to be a woman and become the most vulnerable group in society?
It is sickening to hear that even suggested. Especially when in your own thread you talk about the amount of abuse that women suffer at the hands of men.
So for a bit of perspective, can you tell us how many of these extremely vulnerable transwomen have been murdered in the past decade?

As for the delusion of womb implants - if it was that simple, they could have hooked a uterus up to a blood supply to create an artificial incubator. It can't happen because it is SO much more complicated than that and the female body is an amazing thing.

Interesting choice of username.

Jazz please feel free to report any tranphobia you see on here
As MN delete it PDQ

Surely - as with any transplant - the recipient of the organ (and who would wish to willingly donate?) would be on a lifetime of drugs to suppress the body rejecting the alien organ.

This would be incompatible with pregnancy in a woman let alone a person whose body - and emotions - are incomparable with carrying a baby to term. Natural birth would surely be impossible too.

So the question is - why would a male wish to have this surgery? For the benefit of a child?

Forgive my ignorance here, but I thought that a site called 'mumsnet...
(c) isn't really supposed to be out feminism at all...

It's going to be a little tricky to tell 12 million women not to talk about their rights.

But fair play to you for trying.

Bless.

Nary a mention of the best interests of the child, which, thankfully, is still quite important in the UK, whatever experts in facial feminization surgery fancy might be the next money spinner.

We need a lesson on feminism? The cheek of that. After saying you thought this website was for mothers not feminism.
Fucks sake.

@Jazzbunny:
Forgive my ignorance here, but I thought that a site called 'mumsnet' (a) presumes that you have a child - which I do

I don’t. I found MumsNet following a devastating ectopic pregnancy which nearly killed me. I am also a StepMum. Due to aforementioned cancer I can’t have kids. So no, I don’t forgive your ignorance.

(b) is aimed at supporting mothers with their children (hence 'mum')

No. It’s a site for everyone. Some of us have parenting issues with step kids. Some of us want info on infertility/ miscarriage etc. So no I still don’t forgive your ignorance.

But way to go on making women who come here to use this site as a safe space feel shit about themselves. Thanks for that.

The way that women grow and nurture babies is still a mystery in so many respects. They can’t even replicate breast milk. How the hell are they going to pull this off?

GlitterStick in the article, it suggests a C section would be necessary

That's what I thought, that'd it have to be caesarean. Even then though, no, it wouldn't even work as it's not just like plant a baby growing bag in someone and voila, baby 9 months later
It's a whole process.

They can’t resolve a significant variety of fertility (& pregnancy) problems for those born with wombs so lord only knows how they expect to be able to make pregnancy a reality for trans women. I’m chalking this one up as trans surgeons looking for a little publicity at a time when media outlets might be willing to pick up nonsense stories to fuel an increasingly tetchy debate.

(Pressed send by accident)

Object to the ways in which women’s rights are being eroded and trampled over for the sake of trans women’s rights, are shouted down, are abused and bullied online, simply because we object? Because we dare to try to have a voice over a massively entitled misogynistic group of men?

@Jazzbunny... with the greatest respect, I don’t think that being a bit pissed off that a so-called medical professional advocating for uterine transplants is bullying trans women.

And whilst we are on the subject of bullying, have you seen the TRA movement laughing and jeering and threatening rape of natal women who don’t acquiesce to their demands? I know they are only a small group of trans people but they are politically savvy and their voices are being heard. In the meantime, women who object to

Oh dear @Jazzbunny.

Telling transwomen that they may be able to have a uterus transplant and maintain a pregnancy is cruel and a lie. This plastic surgeon has a massive interest in persuading people to have expensive surgery. It's unethical. If you think that discussing this is "transphobic" then I'm not sure you understand what the word means.

Jazzbunny - I'm not bullying or mocking for one, honestly (seriously, look at my other posts if you like, they usually hate me on here as I hate the blatant transphobia from some on these boards, probably confusing the hell out of them agreeing with them now though!)
Seriously, though surely it wouldn't even work as an idea. It wouldn't be as easy as just implanting a womb.