Womb transplants for trans women are a human right, says surgeon

For fucks sake “- For erasing the stigma that comes with being a woman of childbearing age and all the unconcsious bias that hampers career advancement that comes with it. “

Really? Have you missed what feminism has been fighting for? But let’s not actually create a fair and just society by removing the cage of patriarchy rather let’s teach women thier place by giving men wombs. Honestly I just can’t even fathom this being the answer to the sex pay gap

Seriously though- this is not possible. Not sure why a surgeon would say this. It doesn’t work. The womb itself is just an organ but to sustain a pregnancy your body needs to produce the right hormones. It’s just not going to work where the body is male. This surgeon sounds insane.

It's NOT transphobic to say that babies shouldn't be used as medical experiments and that a male body is not physically equipped to gestate a foetus.

it's reality. People who disagree might want to educate themselves about what successfully carrying a pregnancy entails. It's far more than just a working uterus. It will never be possible without subjecting a foetus to a cocktail of drugs and would therefore be highly unethical.

Some people just have to accept that they can't always get what they want 🤷

@OccaionalKite transwomen are not men

The more men are involved in raising children, the more that bias goes away because the stigma we put on women (even childless women) due to their perceived childcare commitments will gradually lesson. When dad is the SAHP, or when dad is the one who gets the phone call to pick the child up from school, it becomes a parent issue and not a mum issue. There are great initiatives in place to assist this but it has to also be organic

I don't know how you can type that with a straight face and suggest uterine transplants for men would play any part in achieving this. For your information raising my son was a parent issue - not a mum issue. You also seem confused about the meaning of stigma and prejudice / bias.

Like Smotheroffive, I'm over and out.

@Smotheroffive If they've had surgery, or are in the process of waiting for surgery and it is no long functional because of treatment... then what is the problem?

Are we purely our biology? Or are we a little more than just our plumbing? There are women born without wombs, uterus, ovaries... women born with XY chromosomes, women who have hormone replacement therapy, women who have never experienced a period... none of these women are any less a woman.

BUT... you are still missing the real problem here. We are not oppressed because of transwomen... and transwomen face the same oppression.

I can see I am not making any difference to your bigoted views. This time I've changed my e-mail preferences so hopefully I shouldn't be called back here to reply to posts. I've got real battles to fight elsewhere online. I only came here to see if that newspaper article was correct or not... and was sad to find it true. Some of you need to look in the mirror because you really are contributing to male violence.

Please do not forget who the real fight is against.

So - men are not women, So stop trying to gaslight us!

Men are not women.

Because not nearly enough is done for women who can't have babies. Or women who suffer from horrific health conditions and have it passed off and overlooked

Or men and children who suffer and due from horrific health conditions. Get back to me when everything else has been researched and cured and I'll still say no to this.

Marguerita - I think your first two statements could equally be attributed to IVF and that’s a whole other argument. In my opinion, saying people should be happy with their lot is a very strong and slightly shocking statement

I am opposed to IVF and surrogacy.

In terms of the stigma that I’m making up, I actually work in this field and give talks on this topic. It is very very real. There is an unconscious bias against women in the workplace in terms of promotion, hiring, opportunities. Of course, there are far less extreme ways of tackling this but I strongly feel that the contribution of men to child rearing is the key to solving this

Oh wow you give talks on this ! I mean what would I know - being an actual working mother and an employer who currently has 3 solicitors (of her department of 15) on maternity leave at the moment. I'll bear you in mind if I need any tips on how to nurture and promote my female staff.

The suggestion that this Frankenstein surgery which is only ever going to be relevant to the tiniest proportion of the population will contribute towards men being more involved in childcare is beyond risible.

Basic fact for you, women and men are very different, turning men I to women or women I to men, is just not the answer is all. They are not same, not equal, but having equal opportunities is the way.

This convo is too surreal. I am not engaging with it further. Its going in circles now, I wish you all a good night.

Wires, no need to apologies. I’ve been there and I know it hurts. I hope things are resolved for you soon.

I don’t think men having babies should be any kind of medical priority, I really am only talking about the end-state.

I am curious, however, as to why the anger at thinking that men having babies is so terrible, if safe?

Because not nearly enough is done for women who can't have babies. Or women who suffer from horrific health conditions and have it passed off and overlooked.

^lessen not lesson.

No, smother, you misunderstand me.

Workplace discrimination will not simply stop, because unconscious bias exists. The more men are involved in raising children, the more that bias goes away because the stigma we put on women (even childless women) due to their perceived childcare commitments will gradually lesson. When dad is the SAHP, or when dad is the one who gets the phone call to pick the child up from school, it becomes a parent issue and not a mum issue. There are great initiatives in place to assist this but it has to also be organic.

The extreme version of that is men being the ones who are pregnant and take the maternity leave. I absolutely acknowledge this is extreme. I am not suggesting that’s a reason to do it.

I am curious, however, as to why the anger at thinking that men having babies is so terrible, if safe?

Strange twisty arguments you make jazz don't translate really....mainly because it does hurt women, and its not a competition, but you have presented it as such.

@Divingintothis sorry, I shouldn't have insulted you like that. It just seems we don't/won't/can't fix female fertility issues so this seems like a slap in the face.

Again, apologies for being shouty.

Smother, again I’m only asking to better understand the other side, not to argue. Can you clarify why it makes light of women who are struggling to have children?

Rather men give birth, than women just get equal opportunities. Ok, now we see you

Men giving birth is the key to solving this...you are living in cloud cuckoo land with statements like that!

Oh gosh - I’m honestly not looking to upset people. I’m kind of at the point where I either disappear from the conversation or change my mind just to appease people.

Wires, I’m so sorry you’re going through this. I didn’t in any way intend to diminish what you’re going through and I’m sorry if it felt that way. I’ve been in that position myself.

Can you just tell us women Jazz whether a man with a penis is a woman? That is just what you are saying am expecting us to ...er...swallow!

Marguerita - I think your first two statements could equally be attributed to IVF and that’s a whole other argument. In my opinion, saying people should be happy with their lot is a very strong and slightly shocking statement.

In terms of the stigma that I’m making up, I actually work in this field and give talks on this topic. It is very very real. There is an unconscious bias against women in the workplace in terms of promotion, hiring, opportunities. Of course, there are far less extreme ways of tackling this but I strongly feel that the contribution of men to child rearing is the key to solving this.

Completely understand that extending that to men contributing to childbearing itself is extreme, I’m not suggesting that the medical procedure is developed for that reason, I’m just saying it would be a residual benefit.

...and more than that, making light of all the women who struggle to have DC.

wires

It is utter nonsense.

Why? Why good? Do you think it would also be good for women to have a penis and testicles? Its just talking about nonsense really. If you dream of having babies then you can have your dreams.