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Womb transplants for trans women are a human right, says surgeon

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QuietContraryMary · 08/02/2019 22:14

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-women-should-entitled-womb-13972102

"Because once the medical community accept this as a treatment for cis-women with uterine infertility, such as congenital absence of a womb, then it would be illegal to deny a trans-female who has completed her transition.

"The most important step is the harvesting from the donor as great care is required to avoid damage to the arteries and veins supplying the uterus.
Trans females have a much narrower pelvis than cis-women of the same height, but there would still be room for them to carry a child.

“Supplemental hormones could be taken to replicate the changes that occur in the body when a woman is pregnant.

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 09/02/2019 12:43

They say so. Funny that - but try to persuade the Labour Party that they have a mysogony and anti semitism problem...

FloralBunting · 09/02/2019 12:43

Good. Lord.

Firstly, the female brain stuff is not true. Someone sciencey might be along to deal with that.

Our biology is not responsible for the way in which men treat us. That is a social thing... it is a crime. Are you saying that all I am is my biology? That it is my fault for being raped? That I should've been born a man and then I wouldn't have to face violence? Because that is a load of tosh.

Our biology is a fact of life that makes us vulnerable to the way men treat us. No, you are not only your biology, but if you are raped, your biology is a relevant factor in your vulnerability. Where in hell are you getting the 'it's my fault if I'm raped, should have been born a man' stuff? You can't be born a man. That's the point Being raped is the fault of a man. Being vulnerable to rape is not a value judgement, it's a fact of our biology that we're quite keen to acknowledge as it's the basis of all sorts of rights and protections for women.

please stop wasting time on a group of people who would probably jump at the chance to help us in our war for true equality.

Because issuing rape threats, bomb threats, general threats of violence etc. towards us is obviously an overture to working alongside us in a battle against people who want to beat, rape and kill us, amirite?

KitsandCaboodles · 09/02/2019 12:40

Where does this nonsensical idea that transpeople are the most vulnerable and oppressed people in society come from? There's not a shred of evidence to prove it.

OvaHere · 09/02/2019 12:40

Jazzbunny you sound rather naive and by transactivist standards every bit as much of a 'bigot' as us. It's transphobic to suggest that the basis for being trans is dysphoria.

The concept of lady brain is just sexist nonsense.

Ribosomes · 09/02/2019 12:38

Jazzbunny

Cross dressers etc are all listed as being under the trans umbrella by Stonewall who's tagline is acceptance without exception. So they are trans.

And TRA are pressing to have gender dysphoria removed as a diagnostic criterion for being trans. All you have to do is say you feel you are.

Couple that with Stonewall and you have the situation where Pips Bunce is a woman on the days he says and a man on the rest. And Humptydumpty is female if he says he is. Doesn't even have to say it three times.

littlbrowndog · 09/02/2019 12:37

No confusion from me despite my woman brain

NeurotrashWarrior · 09/02/2019 12:37

They're brains have developed the same as women...

I haven't read any further but I'm so, so sorry you've been led to believe this fake science. Neuro trash.

*their

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 09/02/2019 12:37

Just entertaining this fantasy for a nanosecond; you can bet your sweet life that the bodily autonomy of the pregnant person would take priority for once. Grin

Jazzbunny · 09/02/2019 12:30

The last time I went to see a gynecologist it was a man. The junior doctor who was shadowing him... was also a man. If you've only got a problem because it is a transwoman... then that's transphobia.

And as I've already stated... transwomen are not men. They're brains have developed the same as women... considering we experience the world through our minds, that's a pretty significant thing to be ignoring here. I very much doubt anyone chooses all the abuse they get for being trans because of a fetish.

There seems to be a lot confusion, a transwoman is someone who most likely suffers dysphoria caused by the female development of their brain. They are not the same as crossdressers, non-binaries, and drag queens... who are men. And as I said, if their tackle is useless because of surgery or drugs... then where is the threat?

Our biology is not responsible for the way in which men treat us. That is a social thing... it is a crime. Are you saying that all I am is my biology? That it is my fault for being raped? That I should've been born a man and then I wouldn't have to face violence? Because that is a load of tosh.

Human rights are HUMAN - they concern us all. While you are getting all hot and angry about transwomen because of your prejudices... the men in power are laughing at your distraction. They are laughing because you are focusing your energy on a group that these men would quite like to eliminate from the planet. You are doing the job for them. Your arguments, that do not stand up to scrutiny, that can easily be disproved with 10 minutes on Google are contributing to the spread of misinformation, hatred, fear, and mistrust of these people. You ARE complicit in the violence against transwomen. You ARE complicit in male violence. If you spread hate and venom against a vulnerable group in society then you are contributing to their oppression.

These people face the same violence, the same rape, the same trafficking, the same prostitution as we do. They may not deserve your compassion, but they do deserve not to be kicked on their way down. If you can't replace your hate with love, then at least replace it with indifference and get with the real problem... misogynist men and incels in positions of power... the rise of the far right... the suppression of women... religious intolerance of women. These are the real challenges. Not taking pot shots at the easiest group in society to bully. People who are bullied should learn not to deflect their hurt and pain onto other vulnerable people and instead address the cause of that hurt and pain by challenging the bullies (aka 'real' men).

I spend enough time online fighting the far right and incels without having to come here and fighting the same battles against women who call themselves feminists but seem to have misplaced their anger. If you want to contribute, get onto the news forums and challenge these men who support Tory MPs who block legislation against upskirting. Challenge them on social media platforms! But please stop wasting time on a group of people who would probably jump at the chance to help us in our war for true equality.

And all this stuff about chemicals and blood vessels etc. You do know that they've successfully done this in a woman whose vagina did not develop correctly. The procedure has to be done by caesarean section which means the size of the pelvis is irrelevant.

www.bbc.com/news/health-46438396

Ribosomes · 09/02/2019 12:16

Why isn't pretending to have a period viewed in the same way as 'black face'? 'Bleed fannying'?

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 09/02/2019 12:15

Forgive my ignorance here

Ignorance is not forgiveable.

HTH

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 09/02/2019 12:12

The surgeon in question should fuck off.

FlyingOink · 09/02/2019 12:12

Yeah but a back-arm could keep it's hand on your shoulder, reassuringly. And stroke your hair whilst you were doing something stressful. And hold a torch when you were working under the car bonnet and frankly it would be worth it for that alone. High fives would get higher, home knitted jumpers would get weirder, and people standing too close behind you in a queue could get a poke in the eye.
But gills would also be amazing. And wings. Although I don't fancy a metre wide breastbone to support them. I think it would make doors tricky.

NeurotrashWarrior · 09/02/2019 12:10

What do you care about?

MargueritaPink · 09/02/2019 12:08

I still don't care.

NeurotrashWarrior · 09/02/2019 12:07

I've always said Freud would have an absolute field day with all this.

NeurotrashWarrior · 09/02/2019 12:04

I could not care less about this. It's a business marketing a product. It seems to have some purpose anyway in relation to dilation etc. Public money isn't going into it and lab animals not being tortured. It's no concern of mine.

I was being polite.

It's illustrating the fetish. FETISH. There's no reason for it at all. Use dilators but they don't need to bleed ffs.

Bowlofbabelfish · 09/02/2019 12:04

I’d love a supplementary pair of arms. Could hold the baby AND do stuff.

BettyDuMonde · 09/02/2019 12:01

I’ve always thought that if transhumanisim/extreme body mods were driven by women that the most desireable intervention would be an extra pair of hands...

Bowlofbabelfish · 09/02/2019 12:00

The placenta is formed from embryonic derived tissues, not maternal. The fertilised egg basically forms theteo sets of tissues - one bit goes on to become the embryo and the rest becomes placenta.

But anyhow, this isn’t going to happen, because:

Hormones - delicate and not entirely understood balance to maintain the pregnancy. Trying to replicate that in a Male would be almost impossible and dangerous for the foetus
Plumbing - wombs aren’t plug and play - they’re supported by various ligaments and supplied by various nerves and vessels.
Exit route - not just for birth , what if there’s a placental bleed? A spontaneous miscarriage?
Exit route for birth - are we planning on c sectioning all these babies at 37 weeks despite the increased risk to them so the man doesn’t die when he goes into labour?

Oh and it’s illegal because the HFEA doesn’t allow it.

harvested from the donor

We are just animals to be stripped down for parts aren’t we?

FlyingOink · 09/02/2019 11:56

I really want it and I could die if I don’t get it and it will be everyone’s fault
See now I'm not sure if I want wings, gills or a back-arm.
Decisions, decisions.

MadgeMidgerson · 09/02/2019 11:52

I would really like to have another arm in the middle of my back between my shoulder blades as it would be tremdously handy and I want to know why is no one working on that???

I really want it and I could die if I don’t get it and it will be everyone’s fault

youllhavehadyourtea · 09/02/2019 11:52

Freud really got the wrong end of the stick when he hypothesized penis envy, didn't he?

CoachBombay · 09/02/2019 11:49

This is very disturbing....so they are ultimately going to start butchering dead women for their reproductive organs to place them inside others who feel it's their right to have a baby 😳.

To be honest after 16miscarroages I've got the womb of a teflon non stick sauspan so part of me thinks I hope it ends up in a man who thinks he has the right to carry children so they can feel the misery of it all...a bit like a fuck you from the grave then.

andyoldlabour · 09/02/2019 11:47

"There are already 12 transwomen in female prisons."
Datun, it may be more than that.

There are at least 125 transgender prisoners in England and Wales and 60 of them are convicted sex offenders. They also reckon that 41% of transgender women in prison are convicted sex offenders.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42221629

Jessica Winfield/Michael Ponting, is a rapist who was relocated to a women's prison after having sex reassignment surgery on the NHS, funded by us to the tune of around £60,000.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39337805

Imagine how many poor people are having treatments refused, delayed, because of funds not being available, shortage of staff etc. and then compare it to this diabolical situation, where people are being given cosmetic surgery, simply because it is their "human right"

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