Womb transplants for trans women are a human right, says surgeon

I've said it before. The way to influence people, or make them understand, is to get someone who disagrees.

It's always gold.

Some of you need to look in the mirror because you really are contributing to male violence

Ahh, so we must be 'asking for it'. Perhaps we should wear a burka then to stop men from giving into their nasty natures? Or maybe a white hat and a red dress?

I'm not an academic feminist. But once you see how sexism works, it's everywhere.

I don't know what infuriates me more, the ignorance of not understanding about women's oppression, or the arrogance of actually leveraging it whilst claiming to not understand it.

If you can't replace your hate with love, then at least replace it with indifference and get with the real problem.

Women should be kind, nice, and put others first. You're concentrating on the wrong thing (yourself), let me tell you what to concentrate on (men).

That's leveraging women's socialisation in a post denying it it exists!

You couldn't make it up.

Not needed but wanted. There is always someone willing to foot the bill for such research.

I can’t begin the imagine how selfish someone must be to decide that they have the right to play god with another human life. They seem to forget the life of the child. Is a person so self absorbed and fixated on ‘being the real deal’ the right person to be a parent? You know the sleepless nights, the constant worry, the spending hours helping with homework and play dates, midnight trips to the a&e... it’s not all coffee with the girls and dressing up baby like a dolly.

I just want to clarify an extremely important point - we are not talking about intersex here. That is different.

Just in case anyone is a bit confused.

Our biology is not responsible for the way in which men treat us.

Oh, what is it then? Do tell us the correct catechism for the latest patriarchal religion to deny us personhood. We're all ears. Please make some lordly pronouncements about it (preferably with some tablets of stone included) and we will all immediately convert and comply.

Not.

It's only a matter of time before a transwoman demands a whole female body transplant! (Maybe they could do a swap with a transman?)

Some of you need to look in the mirror because you really are contributing to male violence

You are actually saying we deserve the violence that comes our way because we won't kowtow to men? You are beyond weird

Transwomen are raped, they are murdered, they are assaulted, they are trafficked, and they face domestic abuse too. So why the
hostility towards them?

Nope, they are not, at least no more than women. And this is a site section for women, y'know it being fwr. Unless you know more than we do about rape stats.

I know only 10 TW have been murdered in the last decade.(in the UK, it's 360 tw worldwide)
For stats, there are roughly 500 people a year murdered in the UK, and best guess about 400,000 worldwide.

I can't find data about TW trafficked, but general data says worldwide 40million people trafficked, 80%are women and children. So the claim that tw are even trafficked is tenuous at best and probably a big fat lie.

...So we'll need those pesky un-cooperative ciswimminz to hand over the wombs. Possibly some version of the child-catcher in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang offering them lollipops.

(It worked for Mrs Gandhi's sterilisation programme in India, where men were bundled into vans off the street at random and given portable radios as compensation.)

But... where would it be attached to?

Possibly, transmen would be in posession of unwanted wombs and would be ready to donate/sell them? As a swap for a cock'n'balls combo?
Could work.

Possibly, transmen would be in posession of unwanted wombs and would be ready to donate/sell them

Atrophied though if they had been on T for a long period. Those that don't take T probably plan to use their wombs at some point (in a manly way of course).

Datun spot on as always

Possibly, transmen would be in posession of unwanted wombs and would be ready to donate/sell them?

....but these would be man-wombs, misplaced if transplanted into female bodies.

What a tangled web we weave....

Transwomen are men.
That is all.

And all this stuff about chemicals and blood vessels etc. You do know that they've successfully done this in a woman whose vagina did not develop correctly. The procedure has to be done by caesarean section which means the size of the pelvis is irrelevant.

The womb in that case was transplanted into another woman, not into a man ffs.

I won't be told what to think or do thanks, especially not by weapons-grade hard of thinking wind-up merchants.

Wow that's so well written and clever Datun. Do you have a man Brain?

(Go Datun!)

They're brains have developed the same as women
Not true
doubt anyone chooses all the abuse they get for being trans because of a fetish
It's part of the fetish for some of them. Sissification is about humiliation.
If their tackle is useless because of surgery or drugs three points:1/ 80-90% don't have surgery or take hormones. 2/ the guy who suffered an axe to the face wasn't any safer because the person who attacked him had his penis removed and 3/ this is insulting to any man who has lost his genitalia through cancer or war injuries. Bomb blasts often result in genitalia being removed. Are those men no longer men?
Our biology is not responsible for the way in which men treat us our biology puts us at risk. The responsibility sits with the attacker, of course. But the attacker can see we are smaller, weaker, and capable of being impregnated.
These people face the same violence, the same rape, the same trafficking, the same prostitution as we do
No this is not supported by the evidence. Homosexual transsexuals in Brazil being murdered in prostitution does not affect the risk faced by middle aged IT workers in the home counties.
These are the real challenges you don't get to choose what the real challenges are, sorry.
please stop wasting time see, you don't get to decide what's a waste of time either.
If other issues are more important to you, crack on. Nobody here is stopping you from doing what you want to.

And as I've already stated... transwomen are not men. They're brains have developed the same as women.

Don't be ridiculous. You sound like a gullible child.

You do realise, don't you, that these feminist boards are populated by endocrinologists, scientists, gynaecologists and midwives.

There are 126 million females missing across the globe due to being aborted on the basis of their biology. Not their gender identity.

The transman who was raped in the back of the taxi? Sobbingly telling the police but I kept telling him I was a man.

You sound very confused about feminism.

Women are oppressed on the basis of their biology, due to their reproductive potential. Emotional, sexual and domestic labour.

Gender is the means by which it is done. Gender is not just a series of stereotypes, it is a hierarchy.

Women were considered too feeble to educate, too ignorant to manage money, they needed to be the property of men, their role was to supply sex on demand (Rape within marriage was only made illegal in the 1990s). All these things are gender. Sex-role stereotypes assigned to women, on the basis of their sex.

Redressing this is feminism.

You seem to think that gender is completely innate, and that's why women are oppressed. Because they must innately supply sex on demand, because they must innately work in the kitchen making the sandwiches. Because they are innately worth less money. Because it is innate and natural in women to be commodified and bought and sold in prostitution.

Nothing to do with the hierarchy where society tells men they are entitled to buy women to wank into.

I've seen this before, from teens. Who say women's oppression has got nothing to do with their sex, it's all about their gender.

Gender is the means. It is the oppression.

A quick way of proving it is to see what kind of stereotypes transwomen adopt. Sexy clothes, heavy make up, the pout, the knock-kneed look. Paris Lees saying how hot it is to be objectified and be treated like a piece of meat. Or Monro Bergdorf posing in a bra saying 'all women are a fantasy - no exceptions.'

Or Shon Faye's advice to teens - suck dick, get tits early.

Gender stereotyping is harmful to both sexes, but it's more harmful to women. And just look how men promote it.

And now you, jazzbunny, are claiming it's innate. It's how women think. And if men think like that, they must be women, because what was it? "their brains have developed the same as women".

And the women on mumsnet shouldn't be talking about feminism.

Honestly, your misogyny is palpable.

Toilet training. Vegetables. All this lady brain can cope with 🍺

Yeah my lady brain is feeling all faint from the science talk.

Shall we chat about cakes or summat?

Jeez I hate being told what to what to think and who to support
Especially by a person who said I have a lady brain

I hate it

www.southbankcentre.co.uk/blog/fighting-neurotrash%E2%80%A6-professor-gina-rippon-fake-news-sex-differences-neuroscience

(I'm not this woman. I just like her way of trashing the trash.)

Here's the science bit:

(A tiny bit)

parentingsciencegang.org.uk/web-chats/how-different-are-womens-and-mens-brains/

procedure has to be done by caesarean section which means the size of the pelvis is irrelevant

The size of the pelvis is completely relevant.

I remember a professor at uni lecturing on foetal development. If a person grew a benign tumour the size of a uterus and term baby in their abdomen, their lungs and internal organs would be compressed to the point the individual would die.

It is not known how a woman can grow such a mass and not suffer catastrophic organ damage, from the sheer size.

A narrow pelvis will exacerbate the issue. Women have evolved a wider pelvis to accommodate the extra volume of a uterus and ovaries etc, not just to push a baby through.

And the “female brain” thing is proven bollocks.