Womb transplants for trans women are a human right, says surgeon

transwomen are not men. They're brains have developed the same as women... considering we experience the world through our minds
that's a pretty significant thing to be ignoring here
So please do explain pips/Phillip bounce, who transitioned only part time and only when she was high enough in the company to not get sacked.

There seems to be a lot confusion, a transwoman is someone who most likely suffers dysphoria caused by the female development of their brain. They are not the same as crossdressers, non-binaries
and drag queens... who are men. And as I said, if their tackle is useless because of surgery or drugs... then where is the threat

You little T**F you. No discrimination mate, if they say they are women, they are women. You don't get to say only euphoria sufferers are TW.

And what evidence do I have that they're a vulnerable group... well for starters as a percentage, more transwomen are murdered in the UK than women.

Not because they are trans tho. One transwoman was murdered by another transwoman. There are so few as to make it statistically insignificant. There isn't enough data.

And yes, men kill other men. It's not news. It's why we segregate by sex when women are vulnerable.

You seem to be talking about a tiny minority of transwomen. Most of whom are not advocating for this anyway. Certainly not the ones who are trying to change the law.

The ones who hit pensioners, send rape threats, dox women, prevent them from talking, bully, intimidate and threaten.

Just the kind of people you want in your changing room.

Here is a website which collates all the violence women are subjected to over this issue.

If you want to keep advocating for these people to be in women's changing rooms, you go right ahead.

terfisaslur.com/

@Jazzbunny
And as I've already stated... transwomen are not men. They're brains have developed the same as women... considering we experience the world through our minds, that's a pretty significant thing to be ignoring here. I very much doubt anyone chooses all the abuse they get for being trans because of a fetish

I can see where you're coming from there (a lot won't there though hence the previous replies)
Biological woman here with a sense of female self, identity, feel female, I just am, but you get scoffed down and ridiculed if you say so though as "it's only about our body."
No, for me it's not.
It's interesting to hear your view as you never hear somebody else say that on here because the jeering and insults starts.
There could be more to it, I mean, it's not like "just men and their fetish, blah blah" like some always say on here- transmen as well transition from female to male, don't they?
The womb implant though I can't get onboard with as a concept though as I just can't see it happening. There's too much else going on in a female biological body to make babies, and as someone upthread pointed out, what about any drugs/hormones you had to be on?
You feel guilty for having an occasional paracetamol for pain during pregnancy never mind anything else! Not to mention all the stuff you can and can't eat

The last time I went to see a gynecologist it was a man. The junior doctor who was shadowing him... was also a man. If you've only got a problem because it is a transwoman... then that's transphobia.

No, the reasons that in the UK male HCPs have female chaperones during intimate examination is because of their sex. Women (adult human females) have sex specific policies such as this, spaces and services for their safety privacy and dignity.

I see my male gyny-oncologist regularly having being treated for gyny cancer. I know him well and given the operation he needed to perform on me, he is likely more familiar with my body than any other.

I trust him absolutely and he would never go ahead with an intimate examination without a female colleague and nor would I expect him to.

Suggesting that women who want long-established bast practice to continue are transphobic is appalling.

Ideology which positions the validation of a male transperson's gender identity over that of female patients and inhibiting the identification of sex-based risk is dangerous.

The surgeon must get asked this a lot by his clients, this must be what he’s telling them -what they want to hear - indulging their fantasy.

Yes I'm sure you're right. And I was about to say that I'm not the slightest bit concerned that it would actually happen.

But who would have thought we would imprison rapists with incarcerated women, make the definition of woman hate speech, and allow men to sue women for not touching their cock, with the backing of a human rights tribunal (the TW in Canada)?

So I'm sure any confidence it won't happen, on my part, is probably misplaced.

To paraphrase John Cleese in the Parrot Sketch, there are times when a Doctor needs to say:

Look Matey, I know a man when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180524112351.htm

www.the-scientist.com/features/are-the-brains-of-transgender-people-different-from-those-of-cisgender-people-30027

www.eceondemand.org/#!resources/gender-dysphoria-and-brain-function

As for the Southbank Centre link... did you read the last bit? ' No-one is denying there are sex differences – and it is really important to stress this point – or that it would be useful to study these differences with all the techniques that the 21st century has to offer.'

The Gina Rippon article: 'There are differences in brains from men and brains from women, but they come from the lives they have lived not the sex of their owners!' Well even if that is true, and she needs to provide better evidence to support that claim in light of the evidence presented on the articles that I've provided links to... then she is still saying that there is a difference, and these neuroscientists are still demonstrating through scans that there is a difference between the brains of transwomen and men.

Also I am not a transactivist... I just don't like seeing vulnerable groups being bullied. I believe in standing up to bullies whether it is transphobic, racist, sexist or whatever else. To call me a bully because I point out your transphobia is nonsense. What kind of argument is that? That's like a man telling me that I am bully because I challenge his excuse to touch women when he feels like it.

And what evidence do I have that they're a vulnerable group... well for starters as a percentage, more transwomen are murdered in the UK than women. We don't know the full statistics for acts of violence and rape because many don't get reported. But this isn't a competition. This isn't an argument about who got hit the hardest by a man, who got raped the worst... Both women and transwomen face the same violence from the same people. So why are we attacking transwomen and not the misogynist men who are the real problem here.

Each time, you bring it back to transwomen... why? They are not the threat.

link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs13178-018-0335-z

www.mediamatters.org/research/2014/03/20/15-experts-debunk-right-wing-transgender-bathro/198533

www1.nyc.gov/assets/cchr/downloads/pdf/MythFact.pdf

trying to put a jet engine into a go kart.

Apparently that's not too difficult.

www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jet+engine+go+kart

What a waste of money when you think of all the financial pressures the NHS already faces and waiting lists for important operations.

The surgeon must get asked this a lot by his clients, this must be what he’s telling them -what they want to hear - indulging their fantasy.

There's no such thing as male and female brains, the attributes that used to be associated with male and female are found together in mature brains, showing that brains are individual and the idea of gendered brains is debunked

Yes ribs can move (mine sure as hell did..)

Well I'm quite sure that even if there are any differences in male and female brains, you can't get a female one in a male body.

And even if you could, why would it only be interested in gender stereotypes? And only superficial ones at that.

I don't see a whole bunch of tw deciding that they desperately need to help look after elderly relatives, wash the pants, pick up the socks, write the Christmas cards, and raise the children.

The difference is like swapping the engines of two identical model Volkswagen golfs versus trying to put a jet engine into a go kart.
No, you could put a jet engine into a go kart. It wouldn't work very well and you'd need to make changes to the kart to enable it to stay on the ground. Also, it's been done before.
If you want a mechanical analogy it'd have to be something like putting a car engine in place of a spin motor on a washing machine. You'd have to make so many changes to it to allow the engine to pump water instead of just burn fuel to create movement, it would need constant attention, there are a hundred better options and it's quite dangerous to do (the car engine needs to be vented to outside!)

Our biology is not responsible for the way in which men treat us.

When those poor schoolgirls in Chibok were rounded up and abducted, and raped, by Boko Haram, how did they know which children to take? Did they check their identities?

...You do know that even with your transplanted womb, no transwoman could ever give birth via the birth canal?

Skull will not fit through the male pelvis.

Looking forward to that c-section?

Some of you need to look in the mirror because you really are contributing to male violence

‘Look at what you made me do.’

I think women's ribs move as well, don't they? I had an extra large baby, and I'm sure I was told that.

*New Scientist as in the magazine

New scientists debunked the idea of male and female brains ages ago.

They found that brains show features associated with both 'men and women', and that it's more influenced by our experiences as we grow, as the brain is a lot more malleable than they thought.

There's not a set brain for each sex basically, I'm not explaining very well but you can look up the findings online

trying to put a jet engine into a go kart.

Excellent analogy 🤣

There's nowhere to put your transwomb. There are muscles and intestines there, pushing onto the narrow male pelvis which is going to crush your kid's skull before you can get to the c-section.

You do the dismantling of the idiots so so precisely datun

jazzbunny

transwomen are not men. They're brains have developed the same as women...

Incorrect. This is not true. Thete are class based differences but not individual differences. It’s a bit like how the height distribution of males and females are different but any one data point you can’t say Male or female.

They’ve done a womb TRANSPLANT into a woman. Who had the correct biology, just an error in vaginal development.

The difference is like swapping the engines of two identical model Volkswagen golfs versus trying to put a jet engine into a go kart.

jazz do you believe humans can change sex?

wow that's so clever and well written datum, do you have a man brain?

Made me laugh

This whole thread creeps the hell out of me. Women's aren't pockets for babies?! How would the baby breathe? How would the baby be given everything it needs to grow and develop. Women's organs actually shift, their abdominal muscle splits to facilitate the growth of a full term baby. Their oxygen supply is shared and the baby takes what nutrients it needs as a priority over the mother.

Someone suggesting that a womb can just be transplanted into a man for use this way is mental

Unless it's just going to be some kind is sick trophy posturing