Womb transplants for trans women are a human right, says surgeon

Therefore, the distinction between men and women in terms of reproductive capability effectively doesn't exist any more.
Very good point

When doctors can explain why my teeth went to pieces during pregnancy; why my womb is incapable of carrying to term; why my best friend's womb is incapable of managing the monthly shedding process without acute pain and lumps; why over half of my friends' wombs have failed to retain every fertilised egg that they have produced etc etc etc

THEN we can talk about men having successful womb transplants

WUM transplant?

It all comes back to validation.

There is no exit in the case of a bleed or miscarriage. If there was some sort of rupture or something else went wrong (highly likely I would have thought) where does it go? Does it just collect in the womb?

For a small bleed it’d collect - that’s not too unusual. For any kind of spontaneous miscarriage or early arrival you’d risk death. It’d kill you. So a man would need to be constantly within reach of a full surgical facility.

This just isnt happening. Men do not have the physiology to carry a foetus.

I note through all this, the desire for a child isn't mentioned. When women who cannot have children speak of this they speak of their desire for a child. Not a desire for pregnancy as a process. And manybof these men are perfectly physically capable of reproduction - using their sperm. If the desire for a child was the driver, they’d be using that sperm. For the driver to be the process of pregnancy, it’s vwry clearly fetishising pregnancy.

This is a paraphilic behaviour. It’s horribly insulting to all women (and men) who would love to be parents and can’t.

And the thing is, a surprising number of people are ignorant and gullible.

The story is being used as a Trojan Horse to foster certain ideas in the mind of the gullible.

Yes, it is almost certainly strategic.

Naturally I mean transplant into a man so that he can give birth.

This isn't a science thing. This is an Overton Window thing.

I'm more bothered about this than some posters on here. Is a womb-transplant possible? Probably not. But that's not what this is about. This story is being repeated in order to get the message out there that although this isn't possible right now, because science will be providing it at some point, it's as though it already exists. It's inevitable after all. Therefore, the distinction between men and women in terms of reproductive capability effectively doesn't exist any more.

The story is being used as a Trojan Horse to foster certain ideas in the mind of the gullible. The impossibility of the procedure is neither here nor there.

Wow

Just, wow!

gmch.gov.in/e-study/e%20lectures/Anatomy/pelvis-uterus.pdf

The primary and secondary supports are mind bending enough, before you even get to the vascular and neuronal systems.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBOQzSk14c

Ah go on then. Just because there is never a wrong time for monty python

That is so beautiful 😭

"I weep for you" said Jazzbunny, "I deeply sympathise"
With sobs and tears she sorted out those of the largest size
Holding her pocket handkerchief before her streaming eyes.

Its all rather a good advert for this privately practising surgeon isn't it?

Much like the free advertising he gained from the Channel 4 program 'Transformation Street'

Presumably he's signally to his potential customers patients that he is fully committed to enabling the rights that they may wish for?

Cutting edge!

For the uninitiated, Arsebiscuits is Father Jack, yes, written by, and 'Something Up With Which I Will Not Put' was Winston Churchill's response to being told not to end a sentence with a preposition.

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....Life of Brian I meant!

Up with this arsebiscuits we shall not put.

Never has Yoda been more wise.

Is anyone going to link to 'Holy Grail' and Stan/Loretta?

Yes the womb and all the ligaments are all connected to the spine and sacrum. I remember a TED talk where a bi woman talked about what a mind fuck it is trying to map a female body onto a bloke when she knows full well that the curves and structure of a woman's back is totally different to his.

During the pregnancy, the abdominal muscles part in a particular way. Is a male body even capable of making room for an expanding uterus?

Say it:

A man (male-bodied adult human) could no more carry a foetus than he could lay an egg.

Up with this arsebiscuits we shall not put.

"Because once the medical community accept this as a treatment for cis-women with uterine infertility, such as congenital absence of a womb, then it would be illegal to deny a trans-female who has completed her transition.

Breaking this statement down.

Because once the medical community accept this as a treatment for cis-women with uterine infertility

We are still a very very long way from this. A few transplants doesn't provide enough data to suggest uterine transplants are viable never mind therapeutic.

Even if this hurdle is passed, I'm doubtful that it would get NICE approval (in England) for women due to cost, except perhaps in a very narrow group of clinical conditions. (And I actually think even this is unlikely).

I don't see The clinical criteria including Transwomen; the clinical experts won't overlook biology, even if other stakeholders do, and fake suicide risk aside, how would it get past the quality added life years

then it would be illegal to deny a trans-female who has completed her transition.

It would not be illegal if the criteria were clinical.

While I have no problems at all with trans surgery etc for men and women I can't see how the NHS can justify the costs of non-medically urgent surgery when NICE Are withdrawing funding for urgent cancer drugs.

Being generous and attributing the desire for a uterus to the desire for the actual experience of pregnancy and childbirth and not some sort of fetishistic wank fodder, the realities of pregnancy for a Transwomen would likely be horrific.

The drug side effects, the unnatural physical changes that their physiology is not built for, the constant monitoring and medicalisation and the stress of anticipating a likely failure/rejection of pregnancy or the implant etc would make it a nightmare endevor that few would actually want to undertake (once the reality of it was known). So all that money, time, research and carved up female bodies for fuck all... not that it will ever happen. Female bodies are calibrated for pregnancy. For a male body to carry a pregnancy they would literally need to be turned into a female and that ain’t ever going to happen.

Indeed and rather high on playing with his lego people.