Womb transplants for trans women are a human right, says surgeon

Sorry linked below!

Perhaps trans men who are having surgery to become men would be inclined to donate their wombs to trans women as they have greater compassion and understanding for how they feel

It's an operation so radical and invasive, according to the update posted by David Lewis which he has linked above, that it should really only be done on cadavers. So I hope none of them are foolish enough to volunteer for this surgery.

An update on the survey: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3605548-Imperial-College-Womb-Transplant-Survey-Redux

Napqueen, don't impose your religious faith in the existence of a sexed/ gendered soul that can be 'born in the wrong body' on the rest of us. Living in a pluralistic society means that you must accept the rights of others to go with the scientific evidence rather than your irrational belief system.

Napqueen, I think the problem is I literally don't care about trans women any more than I care about some other random group of people that have nothing to do with me.
I care about women and girls and that's why I frequent the feminist board here on mumsnet that centres women and girls.

So I don't care if female impersonators want the experience of being pregnant. The only reason trans stuff gets any of my attention is because of how it may hurt or affect women and girls.
I'm so sick of being told feminism isn't allowed to be about women and girls and must instead focus on vegetarianism or the environment or the male suicide rate or female impersonators or all the thousands of other causes in the world. Because of course it's women's job to always put others first and therefore we must never prioritize women in feminism

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Noone is born in the wrong body. You have the body you are born with. Accept that. Dress how you like, be how you like so long as it doesn't harm anyone else but there is no such thing as being born in the wrong body.

Talking about menstruation is transphobic, talking about pregnancy is transphobic , saying lesbians don't have penises is transphobic, not believing you can change sex is transphobic. So in other words everything, literally everything is transphobic. The word "transphobic" can only be used in irony, surely

Some of these transphobic posts are horrendous.

‘I will opt out of my organs being used to furnish a mans vanity project’

‘I’d want my womb to go to a natural woman not someone who’s mutilated their own body’

Obviously a controversial issue but what a disgusting way to talk about trans people. These aren’t people who have changed gender or sex for a laugh or to see what it’s like but because they were born into the wrong body. The way some people on mn speak about them with such revile is appauling.

If a woman born into a mans body had all her surgery to become the woman she is I hope she gets my womb if I’m mangled in a car accident. I hope you’re sat next to her at baby group and when you ask how her birth was and she explains her story you realise what an ignorant, stupid person you are.

Perhaps trans men who are having surgery to become men would be inclined to donate their wombs to trans women as they have greater compassion and understanding for how they feel

Sorry, the specialist I mentioned also has gynaecology as a discipline. She's one of the most respected in the country.

DD doesn't have a uterus. We saw a senior developmental specialist in the time since this was posted. She was told her only option is IVF with a surrogate carrying her baby. The specialist said uterus transplants were "not feasible and wishful thinking".

If a mtf has a "human right" to a uterine transplant they can fucking get in the queue behind biological women like my DD. Wow, I'm really pissed off now.

Thank goodness mine is too old to be harvested by some entitled man! It's done its job, and well.

There’s a little part of me that would like them to taste the reality of it because a transwomen pregnancy, if ever possible, would be a horror show of side effects, discomfort and potential death.

Yes, and the very egotism that goes along with wanting, demanding a womb just to show how womanly one is would render them incapable of the selfless care that goes into actually looking after a baby and toddler. But I expect they would want to hire females to do the actual caring work.

Thank fuck I'm having a hysterectomy soon because I wouldn't want mine being harvested for this ridiculous shit either!!!

Just out of curiosity, how would I know if my uterus was destroyed after they take it out?

It has been mentioned above but if this goes ahead (and I personally don’t think it can because like someone else said the uterus isn’t a bag- men don’t have the right plumbing) this is going to cause untold amounts of miscarriages . There will be hundreds and hundreds of deaths before they manage to somehow get a live baby out of it. I am pro abortion but I’m not in favor of creating death upon death to feed the fantasies of some deluded men. Plus the horrific pain they’ll inflict on animals while they experiment

Has anyone (apart from us wicked TERFs, of course) stopped to consider the damage that anti-rejection drugs might cause a growing foetus

I would think the anti-rejection drugs would be a known risk, as I’m fairly sure recipients of other organs have gone on to successfully give birth.

The hormones would be unknown. I would think it would be the combination of hormones, anti rejection drugs, a massive abdominal foreign body, restricted space in the abdominal cavity, and a recently healed transplanted uterus. A major danger i would have thought would be where they join the blood supply. Uteri need a huge blood supply during pregnancy- Death by exangination or massive blood loss is not uncommon during birth, and thats in uncompromised blood vessels...

We all know that Fae and the like think pregnancy would be all flouncing about with their bumps out in Jojo Maman Bébé and people touching their bumps and telling them they are glowing so they can go home and wank about it.

There’s a little part of me that would like them to taste the reality of it because a transwomen pregnancy, if ever possible, would be a horror show of side effects, discomfort and potential death.

Genetics mean that mothers would be extremely unlikely to be a tissue type match and so would not be able to donate. The most likely match would be a sister.

Fae is suggesting the mothers of prospective uterus implant recipients should donate to their own male children.

But we know that it will really be late middle aged men wanting their own teenaged daughters to donate their wombs. They can then get all excited about entering their 'second puberty' and getting to 'be a mum' and not be eaten up with perverse and bitter envy about the life and dreams their daughter has ahead of her. No need to 'come out' to her the day before she takes her A level exams. Oh the thought of it! Makes you reach for the tissues...

Also, if they are going to suggest that FtM trans people could donate their uteruses to MtF trans people, they will have to stop promoting puberty blockers to prepubescent children, otherwise they will only have underdeveloped, infertile organs to transplant.

I guess that's maybe why Fae is suggesting the mothers of prospective uterus implant recipients should donate to their own male children. Perhaps the flaw in the FTM scheme has been realised.

Even if they do receive a uterus, I think th careful balance of hormones needed for the trans woman to carry a child to term is beyond the skills of the medical profession at the moment, and I see no indication that they will acquire this skill any time soon.

Has anyone (apart from us wicked TERFs, of course) stopped to consider the damage that anti-rejection drugs might cause a growing foetus, or the risks to that foetus if the hormone babalnce isn’t correct throughout the pregnancy? Somehow I doubt it.

I suspect that the trans activists understand so little about actually being a woman that they think all you need is a uterus and a fertilised ovum - if women can do it, it can’t be that complex, can it!

Also, if they are going to suggest that FtM trans people could donate their uteruses to MtF trans people, they will have to stop promoting puberty blockers to prepubescent children, otherwise they will only have underdeveloped, infertile organs to transplant.

It is also very interesting that there appears to be no suggestion that FtM trans people have a ‘right’ to have a penis and testicles transplant - probably because the trans activists are filled with horror at the thought of losing their precious penises - male entitlement at its finest - they want everything they think women have but without having to give anything up.

Experts are clear: at some point in the next decade or so a trans woman will receive a uterus.

Experts are clear? I have seen only one 'expert' stating this is possible. Most seem to agree its bloody bonkers.

Their idea of 'woman' is so very very far from the reality of most actual women that all their ideas about how to manipulate us are wrong too.

Oh yes. The number of times women get called men! Because they think it's going to be painful for them. Nope.

Or ugly, old, saggy, not feminine, not feminist, etc. Still nope.

It's the play ground level of, I know you are, but what am I? Completely ineffectual.

I had cs because the risk to mine/baby’s health with a vaginal birth was too great. I wonder if i’d insisted on a vaginal birth because the experience was important to my feelings as a woman, they’d have repected my “rights”, or questioned my capacity to make decisions in my own best interests and those of the baby?

Yes, this.

And also everything WeRiseUp wrote so eloquently. The thing is, TRAs like Fae are so narcissistic that they'll never understand female psychology. Their idea of 'woman' is so very very far from the reality of most actual women that all their ideas about how to manipulate us are wrong too.

WeRiseUp

Brava.

Trans activism wants our words, our womanhood, our safety and our rights, and I am furious.

Me too. And each day more people see it.

You are 100% right, @WeRiseUp - the whole thing gives me the creeps - actually, worrying about it keeps me awake at night.

I am so angry about the way some transactivists want to silence and erase women, or to gaslight us into thinking we are privileged to be women - conveniently ignoring the many ways in which we are still discriminated against, and the struggles we have had to get to our current position. Trans activism doesn’t want to have to struggle for the rights they think they deserve - they just want to take them away from women, who have fought for them.

I am angry about the transitioning of children, the promotion of damaging medical and surgical treatments with lifelong side effects and damage.

I am angry about the potential erasure of women’s sports. I feel sorry for Caster Semenya, but I do not think it is fair for her to compete against genetically female opponents. Rachel McKinnon should be ashamed of cheating their way to a cycling world record.

Trans activism wants our words, our womanhood, our safety and our rights, and I am furious.