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Do you have gender dysphoria?

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 08/02/2019 19:55

"Gender dysphoria, or gender identity disorder, is a diagnosis used to describe individuals who exhibit a strong desire to be of the other gender. Take this gender dysphoria test to determine if you have gender dysphoria symptoms that could lead to a diagnosis."

Well I took the test, answered all the (very obvious) questions to indicate that I do not have gender dysphoria and was told

Your answers suggest a mild to moderate indication that you are experiencing symptoms common among people with gender dysphoria Shock

Test is here: www.psycom.net/adult-gender-dysphoria-test/ You don't have the give them your email address to submit results.

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Aridane · 12/02/2019 18:14

It’s just a crap quiz - they give you mild to moderate even when you answer no to everything!

ErrolTheDragon · 12/02/2019 17:38

So if you answer one question which I'd interpret as 'No sexism, please' they reckon mild to moderate GD?Hmm

It would be funny, except that presumably gullible kids come across this sort of crap.Angry

Aridane · 12/02/2019 17:24

Ahem - it would seem that I have mild indications of a paranoid personality disorder but, happily, little or mild sociopathy

Vixxxy · 12/02/2019 15:26

Everyone who is not a walking stereotype has 'gender dysphoria', lets be honest.

Your answers suggest a Strong indication that you are experiencing symptoms common among people diagnosed with gender dysphoria. However, this quiz is no substitute for a proper diagnosis from a health care professional and we would encourage you to schedule an appointment with your doctor or other mental health professional now.

I think it really should be retermed sex dysphoria (I use this anyway) and ignore the stereotypical shite. A while back I read a guide on how to diagnose children with gender dysphoria..it was basically 'do you do girl things when you are a boy' and stuff like..are most of your friends the same sex or not. Total rubbish and terrifying that kids are being diagnosed and treated because of this nonsense.

FlyingOink · 09/02/2019 18:31

How do you think we’d deal with a blitz or rationing now? Or the kind of physical conditions of poverty that a lot of our parents grew up in (no heating, no running water, no gas or electric.)
I don't know. It might not be as bad as you think.
Put it this way. The best advice I ever had on dealing with heartbreak (which is always a bit insular and self-obsessed by it's nature) was to keep busy. It works. I'm still alive despite having my heart broken. Go me.
If young people are dwelling on their gender, or anything about themselves, for too long, they lose a sense of perspective.
Having to work out how to make potato peel pie or how many times bathwater can be used before there's no point makes it hard to worry about navel-gazing. Likewise fetching coal, building shelters, worrying about your family staying alive.
I sound a bit "never did me any harm" Daily Mail there and I don't mean to, but I think a lot of our psychological issues are due to a lack of physicality in our everyday lives. It's possible to spend a day, a week, even, not leaving the house, not cleaning up, having food delivered, being online all the time, only having sex with yourself, etc. I think it's possible to lose touch with being a body, an animal, with normal needs like sunlight, fresh food, exercise and interaction with others.
And whereas real life invariably means brushing up against people you don't like, but who you have to play along with (because they're your boss, or the neighbour, or whatever) online you can live in a bubble, where everyone agrees with you and anyone who doesn't is a Nazi.
I'm not pointing fingers, I'd find it difficult to log off and stay offline long term, but it would make a real difference in some confused children's lives.

AliyyaJann · 09/02/2019 17:22

Strong indication and should see a bloody doctor.

Bowlofbabelfish · 09/02/2019 17:19

Do you think pathologising discomfort makes young people less likely to be able to cope with stuff?

I think people now are just less good at coping with any kind of physical or mental discomfort. How do you think we’d deal with a blitz or rationing now? Or the kind of physical conditions of poverty that a lot of our parents grew up in (no heating, no running water, no gas or electric.)

We are also less psychologically resilient in many ways. More primed to want instant gratification because that’s what advertising and a consumer economy relies on.

There’s also the insidious no platforming, no debate thing and the idea that the mere exposure to uncomfortable thoughts or ppinions is physically harmful. Trigger warnings on trivial stuff, safe spaces where none are needed. social justice warriors crushing any dissent and weaponising offence. This stops young people facing these ideas and examining them deeply, then creating or debating their rejoinder. It leaves people vulnerable and fragile.

None of this develops resilience or grit. And those are what makes you a strong person.

FactsAreNotMean · 09/02/2019 17:08

Do you think pathologising discomfort makes young people less likely to be able to cope with stuff?

I think this is a definite risk.

It's a normal part of teenage development to feel uncomfortable, I think. Your body is changing hugely and rapidly, your peers are at a range of different stages...it's not unusual to feel discomfort over the whole thing. And that's before you consider the rotten hand that girls are dealt in terms of societal expectations.

I mentioned above that I have autism, but it wasn't diagnosed until I was an adult. As soon as I was diagnosed there was a feeling of "OK, now I know WHY I feel wrong", which is hugely comforting. But initially it also made me think that I didn't need to try and address any of my aspie behaviours/feelings - that if I struggled with X, Y or Z it was because I had autism and so I didn't have to deal with it or try to learn to do it. It was a phase and one I worked through.

I can well imagine that the situation around a GD 'diagnosis' in teens experiencing discomfort could have a similar impact, that they could feel that they don't need to work through their feelings about their body because their body is wrong and that's why they feel that way. But we know that left along, the vast majority will desist. They'll grow up, go through puberty, learn to adapt and deal with their reality.

Shove them on puberty blockers and they will never get the chance to come to terms with the body they have.

FlyingOink · 09/02/2019 16:37

For me puberty was shit, being a teenager and a young adult was shit. This is the same for many many people.
I'm sure it's massively common, I only overshared above because it was relevant.
I think with expectations being so high it's easier to pathologise differences than admit things aren't perfect for whatever other reason.
Certainly the overuse of "ace" as a descriptor for a young child who doesn't want to be preyed upon is one example. They're not asexual, they're 13,14. But in Tumblr they're all ace enbys. Opting out of being a girl and being sexualised.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/02/2019 16:33

Do you think pathologising discomfort makes young people less likely to be able to cope with stuff?

I think this is exactly the problem with this sort of thing. We are all able to think critically and realise that this is utter bollocks.

Children / young people / emotionally fragile people may be less able to see this.

It's very easy to self diagnose to explain an issue away rather than accepting it as inevitable part of life. For me puberty was shit, being a teenager and a young adult was shit. This is the same for many many people. It is not something in the vast majority of cases that requires medical intervention.

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FactsAreNotMean · 09/02/2019 16:11

I just got DH to do it too, and he also has strong indicators of gender dysphoria.

Do I need to tell the kids that I'm now dad and he's mum?

If he's gender dysphoric am I now a lesbian - or am I now a het man? I am so confused. Maybe I'll just say I'm pansexual.

DonaldTwain · 09/02/2019 16:09

I actually cannot complete the questions. They require belief in gender as a factual concept and I do not recognise it as such. I do not have a gender; something which does not exist cannot be at odds with something which does (my sex).
I can see how departing from this mindset is in the interests of the gender industry; I’m not sure it would be helpful to me.

FactsAreNotMean · 09/02/2019 16:04

Strong here

Firmly female, but also autistic.

What a dangerous heap of shit

"we would encourage you to schedule an appointment with your doctor or other mental health professional now." ha ha no

Katvonfelttipeyebrows · 09/02/2019 15:57

Strong
Lol
Literal nonsense

FlyingOink · 09/02/2019 12:42

Do you think pathologising discomfort makes young people less likely to be able to cope with stuff?
I probably would have met the criteria for gender identity disorder (as was) when I was a child. I really wanted to be a boy, and to grow up to be a man. Girls' clothing really upset me, and rocked my sense of self, as did any reminder I was a girl.
But frankly, I got over it and I'm a happy butch dyke now. So am I some kind of mental health superhuman or is it just more helpful to agree that the discomfort of not fitting into gender stereotypes isn't actually going to kill you?
AIBU?
Especially as there are a myriad of reasons to be uncomfortable being a girl that have nothing to do with growing up homosexual. Abuse, leering, restrictions, unwanted sexualisation, etc etc.
Is this something we should even be treating, is it more cruel to tell children lies about how they can be anything on earth (when let's face it, they can't) including the opposite sex?
We all know not every child will be a famous singer or a professional footballer or on telly or any of those other dreams that require an element of luck. Sure if their dream is to be a vet we can help them get there. But not necessarily an X Factor winner.
So is the diagnosis of gender dysphoria perhaps sometimes an extension of this idea, that anything is possible?
Should we be realistic about children's dreams when getting there is impossible? Should we allow them to a certain age? Is social transition ok but chemical and surgical not? What is the psychological impact of a new name, title, family role for a socially transitioned child? Are we setting children up for failure if we pretend a girl can become a boy and vice versa?
I'm sure I'll get a load of answers stating how very serious and debilitating genuine gender dysphoria is in children. And that I couldn't possibly understand.
Well I do understand, I wanted to die or to be harmed as a child, I used to visualise being killed or maimed quite often. My dysphoria was insistent, consistent and persistent. My puberty was incredibly difficult and I was hugely depressed. My flat chest inflated overnight causing me massive distress. I'd have hacked them off myself if I could have. I met all the criteria, there's no way I could write about how I was from a very young age and not meet the standard for diagnosis. But I'm fine now. I appreciate my healthy body now. The no true Scotsman rubbish is just a fallacy; I am proof you can get over serious dysphoria.
So AIBU in saying that it should be treated with compassion, understanding and a firm "no"?

VickyEadie · 09/02/2019 11:45

So we've established (I'm 'mild to moderate' also, having answered only the one about wishing to be treated like a man with 'yes') that the thing is completely fixed to make even people who answer 'no' to every question come out as at least 'mild to moderate'.

We're fully grown adults. Can you imagine children doing this and what that might do? And there's absolutely nothing to prevent children taking the 'test'.

Irresponsible as fuck.

Melanippe · 09/02/2019 11:07

Answered honestly and got a strong indication.

I'm booking in on Monday.

whathaveiforgottentoday · 09/02/2019 02:43

Been back and tried a few more of the psycom quizzes and i'm moderate risk of bulimia (i like to eat, but not so keen on the vomiting/purging) and very high risk of ADHD as well as having gender dsyphoria. Might go back and see what else i didn't know i had!

This website is actually dangerous and puts ideas into peoples heads that they are suffering all sorts of disorders when they aren't really.

SeaWitchly · 09/02/2019 01:25

I was told I had a strong indication towards gender dysphoria Shock

The only question I answered with a 'yes' was this one -

Do you wish that the people in your life would treat you the same way as the treat males (if your assigned gender is female) or females (if your assigned gender is male)?

This means I am fed up of living in a sexist, patriarchal culture where I am told I 'drive' or 'think' like a man [meant as a compliment]. I answer that no, I drive/think like a woman because women can also be analytical thinkers with an interest in politics and parallel park.

i do wish that those around me would treat me with respect as a woman and not insinuate that I need to be a pseudo man to receive this.

GGMummy3 · 09/02/2019 00:37

Yup, mild to moderate here too. I just said that I'd like to be treated the same as men. What a rubbish test! I hope no confused youngsters try it ffs!

SmellsLikeAdultSpirit · 08/02/2019 23:38

I got strong indication
Do we should he changing our bodies so society treats us with respect rather than changing society Hmm

LangCleg · 08/02/2019 23:22

I answered no to all questions and got mild to moderate.

Same here. On purpose to see if that would "diagnose" me. And, hey presto, it did.

Needmoresleep · 08/02/2019 22:44

Mild to moderate here, even though I did not complain about the (post menopausal) hairs on my chin.

AtrociousCircumstance · 08/02/2019 22:23

What a lot of unbelievable sexist antiquated bullshit in ‘woke’ clothing.

Ribbonsonabox · 08/02/2019 22:20

I got strong!! And I could not be more typically feminine in the traditional sense...

Which women do not sometimes wish they were treated as the opposite sex? Which women feel they align up exactly with expectations of their gender? .....