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Jeremy Vine talking to transwoman

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 08/02/2019 13:16

He said "No, I was born a girl"

That has started me thinking. Don't want to give the kneejerk reaction, so I am listening. I know males are male and females are female, but that doesn't preclude me for being accepting of each trans individual and their issues and problems.

He is of an age where he would have been locked up (presumably 'for his own good') had he come out, back in his youth (1980s). So, like many gay men did, he got married, played the normal game.

Not sure he is being anything other than a bit self centred so far - which you would be if you had suppressed any part of your personality for that long...

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steppemum · 08/02/2019 14:05

I was at school in 1980s.

Bloody rubbish about being locked up. There was TV programmes and articles even then.
There was a really well know book by a fab lady whose names escapes me - journalist - Jan Morris I think. She transitioned (m to f). She has said loads of very sensible and wise things in the current debate too. I have a lot of time for her.

So, no, no-one would have been locked up, that is just scare mongering

Mrskeats · 08/02/2019 13:57

I cannot stand JV. He never challenges anyone on anything. Born a girl. What rubbish.

VickyEadie · 08/02/2019 13:54

This person thinks nobody came out as trans in or before the 80s? That'll be shocking news to all the people who DID, then.

FFS!

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 08/02/2019 13:50

Ach! I can at least say I tried. I listened!

But it was just a weird, limp, waste of air time!

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TransposersArePosers · 08/02/2019 13:46

JV was fawning over the guest and callers, I was shouting at the radio. So frustrating!

I would still like to know what 'living as a woman' means

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 08/02/2019 13:40

I was thinking about it as it went on. It did strike me as he was conflating the 80s with the 50s. But he clearly said "It was a time when anyone 'coming out' [as trans] would have been locked up"

Another Pity Me lie that is utterly unecessary and only serves to undermine any point he was trying to make.

Not that I think there was one.. it just sort of limped to a close!

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walkingtheplank · 08/02/2019 13:39

I'm afraid I turned off pretty soon after he said he was born a girl. Sounds like a fondness of dresses = being born a girl. He's just a transvestite. By his reckoning, my son who dressed up in princess outfits occasionally must be a girl too.

turnaroundbrighteyes · 08/02/2019 13:38

Agree with Bittermints about the 80's...

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 08/02/2019 13:35

So none have had any surgery, only Ann has taken hormones. They all wear 'women's clothes'.

And?? It ended... what? What was that supposed to be? WHat was the point of that?

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!

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Bittermints · 08/02/2019 13:31

I was a young adult in the 1980s. The big mental hospitals were being shut down and the Tories were introducing the idea of 'care' in the community as a replacement, which of course was very badly funded and has left a lot of people with minimal care. The relevance to this case is that someone going to a GP back then and saying 'I am [male/female] but I feel a lot happier if I dress like a [female/male], what's wrong with me?' or similar, would be highly unlikely to have been sectioned. Far more likely that the GP would either have fobbed the patient off or perhaps arranged a referral to a psychiatrist.

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 08/02/2019 13:30

Oh I gfive in! Nikki looks better as a woman... beautiful brave lady who was my husband I'm lucky she is alive, from a wife caller has made me snap!

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 08/02/2019 13:25

The problem is people close to you don't get it, they are embarrased by you (I'd say bloody furious if I was his wife)... they don't understand the journey.

Wife and daughter have been negative... he left them as his existence had been so supressed he would have died had he stayed. So he left to live his new, reborn, blessed life.

See, nothing wrong with any of that! His choice, their choice, sad, probably traumatic, but choices. He - sorry Ann - wears 'traditional womens clothes' JV thinks he might say 'transvestite' but Ann explains the spectrum, still sounds reasonable, even when explaining Stonewall's definition!

GP had no help to offer "What do you want me to so about it?" he went back and asked for a referral to GRC for more support. He was shocked to have to wait for 2 1/2 years for his first appointment, so he went private.

I hope he continues being so 'ordinary' cos I suspect, if he does, many TRAs will hate him/her for having a national platform. Song break...

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