How British feminism became anti-trans - according to the New York Times

Do you understand what that means?

No, they don't and neither, it seems do a lot of American based bloggers.

Is she saying that British feminists enforced the gender binary and thats why British feminists are gender critical?

Is there any evidence that Sophie understands the difference between sex and gender? She certainly hasn't understood what the GRA is about.

The Guardian published an editorial on potential changes to a law called the Gender Recognition Act, which would allow people in Britain to self-define their gender.

No Sophie, it's not about self-defining gender, it's about choosing your legal sex. Do you understand what that means?

trans-women-exclusionary

That needs better punctuation. For as the Bard said, ‘sigh no more ladies.’

No, I think it's just that there are lots of versions of what is basically exactly the same article. Lazy.

Its very lazy writing and in need of robust editing.

Oh it's another entirely unoriginal article about how awful and bigoted British feminists/MN are! With lashings of misogyny and/or ageism! Excellent scoop, Sophie!'

See also:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3444548-Vice-how-an-online-forum-for-moms-became-a-toxic-hotbed-of-transphobia

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3416738-This-has-made-me-start-Wednesday-off-in-a-real-grump-The-Pool-article

there was another one which came out at a similar time but the thread discussing it was de-railed and then deleted

I’d love to read a single quote from any feminist who says trans people shouldn’t exist.

Most feminists ARE trans under the Stonewall umbrella anyway. I certainly am - short hair, don’t shave legs, have a typically “male” job role, etc.

Many prominent figures in British journalism and politics have been TERFs

If only she could have provided a list of 'terf' politicians. I'd love to know who they are.

The entire article seems to be about Posie Parker, which is flattering to PP, but doesn't show much evidence of research.

"It’s also worth noting that the obsession with supposed “biological realities” of people like Ms. Parker are part of a long tradition of British feminism interacting with colonialism and empire. Imperial Britain imposed policies to enforce heterosexuality and the gender binary, while simultaneously constructing the racial “other” as not only fundamentally different, but freighted with sexual menace"

This sentence is Trumpian in it's incoherent magnificence. Is she saying that British feminists enforced the gender binary and thats why British feminists are gender critical?

Isn't this a repeat of an old blog post?

No, I think it's just that there are lots of versions of what is basically exactly the same article. Lazy.

From the article,
"If such a place sounds benign, consider the words of British writer Edie Miller: “Mumsnet is to British transphobia,” she wrote “what 4Chan is to American fascism.”

(Miller's article is not a good source)
theoutline.com/post/6536/british-feminists-media-transphobic?zd=1&zi=g2xr4nzy

see thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3415244-hilarious-article

The Spectator published article in reponse to the allegations by Edie Miller in Outline. :

(extract)
Is the British media transphobic? Yes, according to a writer in the Outline, a US publication, who accuses the Times and the Guardian of rampant bigotry in the row about gender. Several prominent British feminists are also singled out for alleged ‘hate-peddling’. The logic here is muddled but is worth unpicking. The author appears to claim that the views of British feminists like Helen Lewis (who has urged caution over the Government’s proposal to reform the Gender Recognition Act) are somehow comparable to the Trump administration, which is – according to the New York Times – seeking to remove legal protections for transgender individuals. This is a complete misunderstanding of both debates. (continues)

Oddly, the Outline lays the blame for this supposed media bigotry at an unlikely door: Mumsnet. The article claims that some of Mumsnet’s 14 million users have developed an “obsession” with transgender issues. It’s true that transgender issues are frequently discussed on Mumsnet – but why assume this is down to bigotry, rather than the fact that many of these concerns (the housing of male sex offenders in women’s prisons, for example) resonate deeply with the women of Middle England?

The writer isn’t wrong that Mumsnet holds deep influence – just not necessarily with the media. When I spoke to someone who knows the consultation well, they mentioned the “Mumsnet effect” – the fact that the Government had received cautious responses from women all over the UK, representing all ages and backgrounds. The responses calling for the more ideological system, however, tended to be concentrated in smaller clusters, usually from London and university cities – places which typically vote Labour.

Ultimately it will be this kind of political pragmatism which will probably persuade ministers against uprooting the GRA system. "

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/mumsnet-and-the-british-media-arent-transphobic/

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3416273-The-Spectator-Mumsnet-and-the-British-media-aren-t-transphobic

My dc are 10 and 14 and the toilet training is pretty much sorted
One is a vegetarian so that’s eating veg covered
Had I better delete my account then?

I wonder if Sophie is the kind of 'woman' who has male genitalia. Pushing for surrogacy on top of everthing else seems like the mission of a full time penis-entitlement activist.

Its an Opinion piece, its the view of Sophie Lewis
(feminist theorist and geographer) not the NYT.

“this ideology” — by which she presumably meant simply being trans

Sorry, but how thick can you get?

'This religion' does not mean simply being a Christian.
There is a difference between beliefs and the people believing them.

Is there anyone stupid enough to not get narked by the conflation?

Belief. Believer. Two different things.

I couldn't read further.

Yes, she has the answer written in front of her and doesn't see it LOL.

Dictionary definition = no substance to the house of cards.

Such a posture positions queer theory and activism as individualistic, narcissistic

Say it ain't so, Sophie! Who could possibly think such a thing?

Oh it's another entirely unoriginal article about how awful and bigoted British feminists/MN are! With lashings of misogyny and/or ageism! Excellent scoop, Sophie!

witness the billboard Ms. Parker paid to have put up last fall dryly defining a woman as an “adult human female.” Such a posture positions queer theory and activism as individualistic, narcissistic and thus somehow fundamentally un-British.

You what Sophie? How about you check your dictionary definition of woman then instead of producing this twaddle.

How dare these uppity women discuss politics. Get back in the kitchen.

sophie a. lewis
‏*@reproutopia*
More sophie a. lewis Retweeted Roz Kaveney
Just rediscovered this spot-on thread by Roz Kaveney on the TERF phenomenon, which I should really have just handed over to the NYT when they got in touch to commission me for the piece.

Seems the author has a new book coming out. Sounds like a very feminist title. Not.

Sophie Lewis, a feminist theorist and geographer, is the author of the forthcoming “Full Surrogacy Now.”

What surprise. A person who thinks MN is full of transphobia also fully swallows and regurgitates damaging stereotypes about women who have children. Knock me over with a feather.

Mumsnet is to British transphobia,” she wrote “what 4Chan is to American fascism

This made me laugh. The hyperbole

I do wonder if the shock of coming to this site and seeing actual women and not stereotypes is a bit much for some?