Jazz Jennings - 'My vagina looked SO bad that my mom, sister, and the surgeons wouldn't even let me look at it'

Apparently there was a higher percentage of orgasm than in a natural clitoris.

All this tells you is the man writing it can’t get a women to orgasm (probably because they were a porn soaked pillock) but could wank themselves into a stupor 7 times a day and thusly have concluded that the penis must somehow be more sensitive than the clitoris.

Sexual ineptitude is not evidence of biological differences.

I've done that vibrators thing too...

VickyEadie

Thank you vibrators for bringing me that.

Just sayin'.

I also have more and better orgasms now \I'm older

I cannot, of course, speak for other older women - but post-menopause, I find it's not as good, unfortunately.

It's an absolute wave, crescendo of overwhelming feeling. I feel it right through my torso. I'm going to concentrate exactly where more next time.

Jealous.

It's an absolute wave, crescendo of overwhelming feeling. I feel it right through my torso. I'm going to concentrate exactly where more next time.

Thank you vibrators for bringing me that.

What's happened to jazz is so tragic

"to the fabled G spot. "

The internal structures are not in exactly the same place for all women. Depending on how close they are to other bits they can be stimulated from inside / or not
Explains so many of the "mysteries" of women and sex
G-spot (some women will be able to stimulate internal parts of clitoris from that area some not)
Why different women like different things etc

I also have more and better orgasms now \I'm older

I think having kids seemed to change (improve) things somehow

Plus having a partner who cares about my pleasure

To be honest Kismetjayn and sorry if this is TMI, (like *tinsel^, I don't want this to morph into the sex board), it was something that came with age and, er, practice.

From what I can gather, all women are different. From those elusive multiple orgasms, to the fabled G spot.

I think the point is, which we can probably all agree on, is it's not something that any man can really understand. Apart from anything else, it's often bloody complicated!

And again, I'm so sorry for what happened to you.

Without being too graphic, what I thought was amazing sex in my early twenties wouldn't even pass for mediocre now

Many of those bits were ahem, awakened, by my most recent boyfriend, in my forties.

Do you? I don't! But always wondered if my early experiences had 'stalled' that a bit...

I don't want to FWR into the sex board, but I feel an orgasm in all those areas coloured yellow on Datun's picture.

Me too. Well certainly the bit at the front and the bigger bit that goes round the back. I'm not sure about the spindly bits down the sides. But to be frank, I wouldn't say I'm at my most observant at the time 🤣

That picture is amazing and beautiful!

It should be widely circulated, so there is no doubt re the size and complexity of the clitoris.

I don't want to FWR into the sex board, but I feel an orgasm in all those areas coloured yellow on Datun's picture.

The penis tip wouldn't be attached to all this stuff which doesn't exist in the male body.

All the bits men feel orgasm in won't be there any more, will they?

(I know I'm going on about this but it infuriates me).

Anyone who has had any kind of surgery knows that once nerves are cut you end up with altered sensation/numbness.
I had an operation near my head/face 40 years ago. It still feels numb over a large area.
I can't see how anyone could suggest that this wouldn't be an issue in an area with so many nerve endings.

What sensations inside the body could a penis tip orgasm provoke?

eg women experiencing orgasm by tensing their thighs etc. It's nothing like a penis!

Women's bodies really are so cool. It's offensive for a male surgeon to make assumptions about something that they will never, ever feel.

The intersex community say they should be left alone and allowed to decide for themselves when they're old enough.

They used to do very early surgery (babies) and really fucked up a lot of people.

This has of course been co-opted by people who have no such abnormalities, in order to push for their wants. "Assigned at birth" was stolen from the intersex community, who really were assigned at birth, and with often major consequences.

Another point re the penis/clitoris difference is that there are huge long clitoral nerves structurally embedded in women's bodies - eg women experiencing orgasm by tensing their thighs etc. It's nothing like a penis!

@quietcontrarymary
Thank you for explaining this- how would people with these phenotype abnormalities be recorded nowadays? As in do they run tests to confirm a sex or go with the visible genitalia or what? God it must be so hard already without people lying about it.

Thank goodness! I was worried that I'd been unknowingly offensive. Thank you Tinsel.

Thinking how puberty blockers affect the brain has completely changed my stance on all of this.
Two things peaked me on blockers. The long running battles that women prescribed blockers for early puberty have had (their bones are crumbling, spines, jaws, the lot) and the fact AbbVie/Abbot make several times as much money through sales of paediatric versions of the same products. They were also in trouble for breaking FDA rules too.
Lupron and related drugs should be thought of in the same way as Thalidomide or Primodos in my opinion. Not safe. Lupron is used in end-stage prostate cancer, I know someone who is taking it for that. The idea is that the cancer is fed by testosterone so reducing the testosterone levels slows tumour growth. He now has very low testosterone levels, but he's still going to die, so long term issues aren't relevant.
To use it in children, for whatever reason, and then ignore the side effects, is absolutely criminal.

Mice, I wasn't suggesting this was your view, sorry if it came across that way x

Hey Tinsel, I may not know as much about this as you do but I was quoting the surgeon on the documentary. I was not suggesting autogynaphilia at all! I feel offended that you think I was.